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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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I used to think this too but actually, this is not agreed scientifically and the real world data does not supports this.
Maybe in a lab you are right, but if you look at UK and the EU where you have massive amounts of vaccinated people and even Vaccine Passports, the numbers are spreading like mad which should not be the case.
Maybe it does stop the spread slightly, but not to the point where is actually matters.
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It reduces transmission, hospitalisation and deaths. That’s literally the f*cking point.
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How do we explain the record numbers in countries with Vaccine Passports implemented? And Record Numbers in the UK where 90%+ people are vaccinated. It does not add up Automatic. The real world data suggests only hospitalization and deaths are being impacted which is amazing and I applaud that. There are a lot of experts that agree that the reduced transmission benefit is limited as well.
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Well if there had been no vaccine there would have been thousands more deaths and we’d still be in lockdown.
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Who's against the Vaccine? Nobody is arguing that the Vaccine is not amazing!
It is one of the most impressive innovations of the 21st century. It is an incredible achievement.
The topic was about his personal choice and the true impact on those of us that are vaccinated... which is limited.
The policies don't make sense anymore but the Aussie authorities went in so hard and now they are struggling to unravel them without looking like fools...
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Yeah, you missed the part where he lied on his visa application, something that would get you kicked out of any country.
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Right, now that is the reason why you are against his participation. Nothing to do with COVID.
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Well as I’ve said previously, we should have stopped pandering to the anti vaxx cult a long time ago, but you lie on your visa application you can’t complain if you get booted out of the country, he tried to sidestep the rules and he got caught out.
Vaccination should be a choice. That said, entry requirements to visit countries are entirely upto the countries themselves in terms of who they should and not not let in. If not vaccinated and a certain country doesn't accept unvaccinated in then it is what it is.
I'm not vaccinated. I get some people think I'm sc8m as a result. Sizzle (automatic) blocked me for this very reason months ago.
I'm not anti vax. I wanted my mum and my in laws to have it, and they have. So has my wife. I don't want my kids having it though, so I guess that could put me in a category of any vax for some.
I don't believe half he bull in the media pro vax. But iv made up my own mind and I accept that some people aren't happy with it. I test regularly etc.
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
posted 15 minutes ago
Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
This study from Israel on booster doses was also published just last week:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788105
“ These findings clearly indicate that providing another vaccine dose following a 2-dose initial series is associated with both improvement in the immunological response to the vaccine antigen and reduction in the risk of symptomatic and asymptomatic infection.”
“ Vaccinated persons who develop breakthrough infection are much less likely to be hospitalized or to die from COVID-19,9 reflecting multiple aspects of adaptive immunity induced by immunization. As risk of severe COVID-19 is largely confined to older and immunocompromised persons, these outcomes are rare in younger, healthy populations. However, when booster vaccine doses reduce the risk of infection (as shown in the study by Spitzer et al2), then these boosters will also prevent transmission. As with all infectious diseases, the pathogen is required to cause the disease, and SARS-CoV-2 infection is the sine qua non for COVID-19. Prevention of infection results in prevention of potential onward transmission from all individuals who are spared the infection.”
Good comments Rosso
Unfortunately this TUX mug comes on to spread misinformation almost as fast as he disappears in disgrace when he's asked to back it up
Admin should probably ban him, you never know whether others might get suckered in
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Quite.
What an anti vaxx loon.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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Christ on a bike.
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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Christ on a bike.
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What about any of this is wrong?
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by What a Conte (U8366)
posted 15 minutes ago
Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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"Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal..."
Did you look at any of the studies linked above?
Literally nobody is arguing that vaccine might eradicate the disease.
All that has been explained here is that vaccination (on top of its other various benefits) reduces community transmission, and does so in various different ways, as evidenced by the studies and meta-analysis linked above.
Again, if you are aware of a bunch of studies providing as strong evidence to the contrary, please provide links to the same.
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
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comment by add912 (U9189)
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
Forget Le Pen, they have a guy polling around 12% at the moment who says that Muslims are "invading" France and that all of the drug dealers in the country are "blacks and Arabs".
He also said that *child* immigrants are "thieves, killers, they’re rapists. That’s all they are. We should send them back.”
A dangerous liar, racist and xenophobe right out of your worst nightmares polling at 12%. Makes Le Pen look like a wishy-washy liberal.
The good news for Macron is that the racist cuuuunt vote is split, and that Le Pen and Zemmour are so obviously facking evil that 75% of the French public will round behind literally anyone who will keep them away from power.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
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comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
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That's bollox I'm afraid, mate.
Repeated polling has shown that the majority of the French public are in support of vaccine passports and mandates.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/09/18/how-france-tackled-vaccine-hesitancy
https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/unvaccinated-italy-france-ipsos-poll-covid-vaccine-mandate/
The bill introducing the mandate on vaccine passes for private commercial premises sailed through the French assembly with support from parties across the benches, barring the far right and some in the centre right, in no small part because the pres elections are just around the corner and there is very wide public backing for Macron's approach:
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/scrutins/detail/(legislature)/15/(num)/4279#G1
See also this:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/12/workers-support-workplace-vaccine-mandates-ipsos/
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Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
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That's bollox I'm afraid, mate.
Repeated polling has shown that the majority of the French public are in support of vaccine passports and mandates.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/09/18/how-france-tackled-vaccine-hesitancy
https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/unvaccinated-italy-france-ipsos-poll-covid-vaccine-mandate/
The bill introducing the mandate on vaccine passes for private commercial premises sailed through the French assembly with support from parties across the benches, barring the far right and some in the centre right, in no small part because the pres elections are just around the corner and there is very wide public backing for Macron's approach:
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/scrutins/detail/(legislature)/15/(num)/4279#G1
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Yep, and the polls said that Brexit was a fringe movement and that Hilary had a 99% chance of winning.
Also as a side note, the economist is one of the most manipulated news sources I have ever seen, up there with Yahoo news trying to remain relevant. I had to cancel my subscription it was do biased and wrong.
Echo chambers people. Get out of your echo chambers please!
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Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
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That's bollox I'm afraid, mate.
Repeated polling has shown that the majority of the French public are in support of vaccine passports and mandates.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/09/18/how-france-tackled-vaccine-hesitancy
https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/unvaccinated-italy-france-ipsos-poll-covid-vaccine-mandate/
The bill introducing the mandate on vaccine passes for private commercial premises sailed through the French assembly with support from parties across the benches, barring the far right and some in the centre right, in no small part because the pres elections are just around the corner and there is very wide public backing for Macron's approach:
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/scrutins/detail/(legislature)/15/(num)/4279#G1
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Also, who actually responds to polls? Old people in their houses? I could see why they support the mandates.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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I used to think this too but actually, this is not agreed scientifically and the real world data does not supports this.
Maybe in a lab you are right, but if you look at UK and the EU where you have massive amounts of vaccinated people and even Vaccine Passports, the numbers are spreading like mad which should not be the case.
Maybe it does stop the spread slightly, but not to the point where is actually matters.
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It reduces transmission, hospitalisation and deaths. That’s literally the f*cking point.
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How do we explain the record numbers in countries with Vaccine Passports implemented? And Record Numbers in the UK where 90%+ people are vaccinated. It does not add up Automatic. The real world data suggests only hospitalization and deaths are being impacted which is amazing and I applaud that. There are a lot of experts that agree that the reduced transmission benefit is limited as well.
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Well if there had been no vaccine there would have been thousands more deaths and we’d still be in lockdown.
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Who's against the Vaccine? Nobody is arguing that the Vaccine is not amazing!
It is one of the most impressive innovations of the 21st century. It is an incredible achievement.
The topic was about his personal choice and the true impact on those of us that are vaccinated... which is limited.
The policies don't make sense anymore but the Aussie authorities went in so hard and now they are struggling to unravel them without looking like fools...
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Yeah, you missed the part where he lied on his visa application, something that would get you kicked out of any country.
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Right, now that is the reason why you are against his participation. Nothing to do with COVID.
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Well as I’ve said previously, we should have stopped pandering to the anti vaxx cult a long time ago, but you lie on your visa application you can’t complain if you get booted out of the country, he tried to sidestep the rules and he got caught out.
posted on 17/1/22
Vaccination should be a choice. That said, entry requirements to visit countries are entirely upto the countries themselves in terms of who they should and not not let in. If not vaccinated and a certain country doesn't accept unvaccinated in then it is what it is.
I'm not vaccinated. I get some people think I'm sc8m as a result. Sizzle (automatic) blocked me for this very reason months ago.
I'm not anti vax. I wanted my mum and my in laws to have it, and they have. So has my wife. I don't want my kids having it though, so I guess that could put me in a category of any vax for some.
I don't believe half he bull in the media pro vax. But iv made up my own mind and I accept that some people aren't happy with it. I test regularly etc.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
posted on 18/1/22
This study from Israel on booster doses was also published just last week:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788105
“ These findings clearly indicate that providing another vaccine dose following a 2-dose initial series is associated with both improvement in the immunological response to the vaccine antigen and reduction in the risk of symptomatic and asymptomatic infection.”
“ Vaccinated persons who develop breakthrough infection are much less likely to be hospitalized or to die from COVID-19,9 reflecting multiple aspects of adaptive immunity induced by immunization. As risk of severe COVID-19 is largely confined to older and immunocompromised persons, these outcomes are rare in younger, healthy populations. However, when booster vaccine doses reduce the risk of infection (as shown in the study by Spitzer et al2), then these boosters will also prevent transmission. As with all infectious diseases, the pathogen is required to cause the disease, and SARS-CoV-2 infection is the sine qua non for COVID-19. Prevention of infection results in prevention of potential onward transmission from all individuals who are spared the infection.”
posted on 18/1/22
Good comments Rosso
Unfortunately this TUX mug comes on to spread misinformation almost as fast as he disappears in disgrace when he's asked to back it up
Admin should probably ban him, you never know whether others might get suckered in
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Quite.
What an anti vaxx loon.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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Christ on a bike.
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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Christ on a bike.
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What about any of this is wrong?
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Is he anti vax though or is he anti being forced to take the covid vaccine which was a created in an extremely quick period of time and b not really proved effective of catching or transmitting the disease?
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The science very clearly shows that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the disease, the periods of time people are infectious, and the likelihood of transmitting to others.
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The latest information from Israel and the most highly vaxxed countries in Europe disagree with your ''science''.
The evidence is growing and I genuinely worry for anyone who has taken this junk.
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Again, massive meta-analysis of studies on vaccination and transmission here:
Giant meta-analysis of studies here:
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
See also the other links above.
The latest study on vaccination and transmission I’ve seen from Israel is this one (still in pre-print):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2.full-text
“ By analyzing data on confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections among household members in Israel, we provide measures of effectiveness of BNT162b2 against susceptibility to infection and against infectiousness given infection using two different approaches. Both models show evidence of a reduction in the infectiousness of vaccinated individuals who become infected in addition to protection against susceptibility to infection, leading to an overall reduction in the risk of transmission. Evidence of a high vaccine effectiveness against transmission confirms the importance of vaccinating both individuals at high and low risk of severe complications due to COVID-19 in order to maximize the population-level impact of vaccination and potentially achieve herd immunity.”
If you are aware of studies finding otherwise, can you post links, please?
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He’ll find it from some quack on YouTube.
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Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal, and definitely not good enough to eradicate the disease. You can add to that list measures like mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports too.
Anybody still clinging onto that myth or thinks that we can booster our way out of the pandemic is suffering cognitive dissonance, probably as a result of watching BBC news and Sky news all day, every day. I say this as someone who suffered from the same cognitive dissonance in the first year of the pandemic.
However, it has helped us to break the connection between hospitalization and infection which is amazing. Who cares if we get ill for a few days so long as we make a full recovery! That is what the vaccine has done which is amazing!
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"Yeah, the real world data is pretty much showing that any benefits from the vaccine with regards to transmission is minimal..."
Did you look at any of the studies linked above?
Literally nobody is arguing that vaccine might eradicate the disease.
All that has been explained here is that vaccination (on top of its other various benefits) reduces community transmission, and does so in various different ways, as evidenced by the studies and meta-analysis linked above.
Again, if you are aware of a bunch of studies providing as strong evidence to the contrary, please provide links to the same.
posted on 18/1/22
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
posted on 18/1/22
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
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Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
posted on 18/1/22
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
posted on 18/1/22
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
posted on 18/1/22
Forget Le Pen, they have a guy polling around 12% at the moment who says that Muslims are "invading" France and that all of the drug dealers in the country are "blacks and Arabs".
He also said that *child* immigrants are "thieves, killers, they’re rapists. That’s all they are. We should send them back.”
A dangerous liar, racist and xenophobe right out of your worst nightmares polling at 12%. Makes Le Pen look like a wishy-washy liberal.
The good news for Macron is that the racist cuuuunt vote is split, and that Le Pen and Zemmour are so obviously facking evil that 75% of the French public will round behind literally anyone who will keep them away from power.
posted on 18/1/22
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
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Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
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That's bollox I'm afraid, mate.
Repeated polling has shown that the majority of the French public are in support of vaccine passports and mandates.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/09/18/how-france-tackled-vaccine-hesitancy
https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/unvaccinated-italy-france-ipsos-poll-covid-vaccine-mandate/
The bill introducing the mandate on vaccine passes for private commercial premises sailed through the French assembly with support from parties across the benches, barring the far right and some in the centre right, in no small part because the pres elections are just around the corner and there is very wide public backing for Macron's approach:
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/scrutins/detail/(legislature)/15/(num)/4279#G1
posted on 18/1/22
See also this:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/12/workers-support-workplace-vaccine-mandates-ipsos/
posted on 18/1/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
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4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
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That's bollox I'm afraid, mate.
Repeated polling has shown that the majority of the French public are in support of vaccine passports and mandates.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/09/18/how-france-tackled-vaccine-hesitancy
https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/unvaccinated-italy-france-ipsos-poll-covid-vaccine-mandate/
The bill introducing the mandate on vaccine passes for private commercial premises sailed through the French assembly with support from parties across the benches, barring the far right and some in the centre right, in no small part because the pres elections are just around the corner and there is very wide public backing for Macron's approach:
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/scrutins/detail/(legislature)/15/(num)/4279#G1
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Yep, and the polls said that Brexit was a fringe movement and that Hilary had a 99% chance of winning.
Also as a side note, the economist is one of the most manipulated news sources I have ever seen, up there with Yahoo news trying to remain relevant. I had to cancel my subscription it was do biased and wrong.
Echo chambers people. Get out of your echo chambers please!
posted on 18/1/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 minutes ago
Anyway, he needs to start thinking about The French open now, where all competitors will require proof of double vaccination.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
4 months is a long time in politics and the French are being treated like children by Macron. I think we may see that new right wing populist take control by then. It feels like one of those "perfect storm" moments like when Brexit happened and when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
The problem with taking COVID stances politically nowadays is that nobody is scared of it anymore. And if they're not scared of it then they won't vote in that direction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Deary Me.
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This is exactly how I reacted before 2016's disastrous referendum and elections.
Difference between you and I is that I learn from history, where as you stay in your echo chamber.
Let's see how it plays out...
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Mate not being funny but that sad old Na zi Le Pen is the one who needs to learn from history and stop embarrassing herself every election.
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Le Pen is old news - I can't see her making any inroads. I am talking about Eric Zemmour. This guys is tapping into a sentiment that is growing in France and I think this hard handed COVID approach that Macron is taking giving this guy a chance.
The French are at about 67% vaccinated and many do not support the vaccine passports and potential mandates. Also they are much more health conscious than many other countries and are more likely to prefer their natural immune response than the vaccine (not saying it is right but this is the mentality among many).
Keep an eye on it. I think that we will all be in for a shock.
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That's bollox I'm afraid, mate.
Repeated polling has shown that the majority of the French public are in support of vaccine passports and mandates.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/09/18/how-france-tackled-vaccine-hesitancy
https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/unvaccinated-italy-france-ipsos-poll-covid-vaccine-mandate/
The bill introducing the mandate on vaccine passes for private commercial premises sailed through the French assembly with support from parties across the benches, barring the far right and some in the centre right, in no small part because the pres elections are just around the corner and there is very wide public backing for Macron's approach:
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/scrutins/detail/(legislature)/15/(num)/4279#G1
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Also, who actually responds to polls? Old people in their houses? I could see why they support the mandates.
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