comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 23 seconds ago
Looks like you've made up your mind that you want to help Reform get into power.
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I won't vote for them, maybe you will.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 23 seconds ago
Looks like you've made up your mind that you want to help Reform get into power.
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I won't vote for them, maybe you will.
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You'll convince a load of people to vote for them without even knowing that you're doing it, just like you did tories and leavers.
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 23 seconds ago
Looks like you've made up your mind that you want to help Reform get into power.
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I won't vote for them, maybe you will.
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You'll convince a load of people to vote for them without even knowing that you're doing it, just like you did tories and leavers.
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Don't personalise this, you don't like it
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
It's not personal, it's just a fact that there's a group of people who claim to be tolerant of others but go around insulting groups of people who are less able to grasp the outcome of their election votes.
See above comment. You can't get people to believe they should tolerate others differences when you're intolerant to others differences.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Grow faster and stronger is not a "judge us in 5 years claim". It is explicit that it will happen quickly.
And then they hit business with a £25bn employer tax hike.
It was called out by many at the time of the budget that their actions would not deliver growth and with every passing day this is being backed up by the stats.
We've now run into more global turbulence which is just hitting an economy that's just been battered by its own Government.
The whole "wait and see" BS is to ignore what the really quite predictable outcomes of the budget will be.
RR's small margin for error (billions instead of 10s of billions) just means now that the additional headwinds have completely screwed her figures and we will be a year on from this lot worse off in almost every metric and facing the very likely prospect of personal tax rises, just to fill their own black hole....and what do you think tax rises will do for our economy? give it a boost?
We can all see where this is going. If we are relying on a new Theme Park in the midlands, the 2nd Thames crossing, another Heathrow runway, HS2 to deliver growth then we will be waiting a lot longer than 5 years to see a return on that.
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I'm gonna wait and see. You do you.
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I'll do me....which was saying back in October that the budget will not bring growth, will hit inflation, will hit the job market, will suppress pay rises, will see interest rates stay higher longer, will hit mortgage costs, will hit costs of living......and lo and behold!
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Grow faster and stronger is not a "judge us in 5 years claim". It is explicit that it will happen quickly.
And then they hit business with a £25bn employer tax hike.
It was called out by many at the time of the budget that their actions would not deliver growth and with every passing day this is being backed up by the stats.
We've now run into more global turbulence which is just hitting an economy that's just been battered by its own Government.
The whole "wait and see" BS is to ignore what the really quite predictable outcomes of the budget will be.
RR's small margin for error (billions instead of 10s of billions) just means now that the additional headwinds have completely screwed her figures and we will be a year on from this lot worse off in almost every metric and facing the very likely prospect of personal tax rises, just to fill their own black hole....and what do you think tax rises will do for our economy? give it a boost?
We can all see where this is going. If we are relying on a new Theme Park in the midlands, the 2nd Thames crossing, another Heathrow runway, HS2 to deliver growth then we will be waiting a lot longer than 5 years to see a return on that.
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I'm gonna wait and see. You do you.
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I'll do me....which was saying back in October that the budget will not bring growth, will hit inflation, will hit the job market, will suppress pay rises, will see interest rates stay higher longer, will hit mortgage costs, will hit costs of living......and lo and behold!
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Not this again.
4.33 years to go, no pain no gain. No sweeties for you fir a while.
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's not personal, it's just a fact that there's a group of people who claim to be tolerant of others but go around insulting groups of people who are less able to grasp the outcome of their election votes.
See above comment. You can't get people to believe they should tolerate others differences when you're intolerant to others differences.
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What?
You're basically an inverted bigot.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
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It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Grow faster and stronger is not a "judge us in 5 years claim". It is explicit that it will happen quickly.
And then they hit business with a £25bn employer tax hike.
It was called out by many at the time of the budget that their actions would not deliver growth and with every passing day this is being backed up by the stats.
We've now run into more global turbulence which is just hitting an economy that's just been battered by its own Government.
The whole "wait and see" BS is to ignore what the really quite predictable outcomes of the budget will be.
RR's small margin for error (billions instead of 10s of billions) just means now that the additional headwinds have completely screwed her figures and we will be a year on from this lot worse off in almost every metric and facing the very likely prospect of personal tax rises, just to fill their own black hole....and what do you think tax rises will do for our economy? give it a boost?
We can all see where this is going. If we are relying on a new Theme Park in the midlands, the 2nd Thames crossing, another Heathrow runway, HS2 to deliver growth then we will be waiting a lot longer than 5 years to see a return on that.
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I'm gonna wait and see. You do you.
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I'll do me....which was saying back in October that the budget will not bring growth, will hit inflation, will hit the job market, will suppress pay rises, will see interest rates stay higher longer, will hit mortgage costs, will hit costs of living......and lo and behold!
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Not this again.
4.33 years to go, no pain no gain. No sweeties for you fir a while.
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Not after sweeties.
Just after an economy that isn't being set up to fail.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
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Farage and Co are the grifters.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
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Inverted snobbery is a form of snobbery which looks down on certain social groups. It inverts the groups that snobbery values and disvalues.
Inverted bigotry is a form of bigotry which creates prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It inverts the groups that bigotry values and disvalues. See for example Hector's endless labelling and insulting of people who are "right".
What are the details of the Indian NI sweetener?
If they can’t claim benefits or use the NHS for free then I can’t see a problem
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
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Farage and Co are the grifters.
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and co. being those who agree with / vote for them
The people who vote for them are gullible, naive or just plain bigoted , they aren’t necessarily grifters
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
What are the details of the Indian NI sweetener?
If they can’t claim benefits or use the NHS for free then I can’t see a problem
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Unless you think that Indians are going to be turfed away from A&E, and that most companies don't offer private medical insurance and income protection insurance for skilled staff, and skilled staff are likely to claim benefits, then that's really no different to people who have to pay NI.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
What are the details of the Indian NI sweetener?
If they can’t claim benefits or use the NHS for free then I can’t see a problem
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To a degree, it's how it reads that is the biggest problem.
NI is generally viewed as a contribution towards societal things, that benefit us all without all of us necessarily relying on them. for the greater good.
It does not help a negative perception towards immigration that people can come here and opt out of this contribution. After 3 years they then get full access having contributed nothing .
As said above, its not a big issue but it will be made one and fundamentally it does not appear fair.
In principle it would be like someone who does not have kids, or put their kids through private school saying they should get a tax rebate equivalent to the amount of their taxes gone towards education.
If you are here, if you are part of our society then you contribute on a fair basis.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
The people who vote for them are gullible, naive or just plain bigoted , they aren’t necessarily grifters
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Back in the 1997 election around 49% of 25-44 year olds voted for Labour.
Aren't you referring to a large proportion of this demographic as gullible naive and just plain bigoted since that age group is most likely to have shifted to Reform?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
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Farage and Co are the grifters.
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and co. being those who agree with / vote for them
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Tice, Anderson, Jenkyns et al.
Vote for who you want, that's democracy, I wouldn't vote for a group of politicians who cannot vote to replace their leader.
Those voting Trump or Reform are at very best ignorant.
I fully understand the anger that's got them searching for an alternative but there's no valid excuse for supporting either when you understand who & what you're voting for.
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Inverted snobbery is a form of snobbery which looks down on certain social groups. It inverts the groups that snobbery values and disvalues.
Inverted bigotry is a form of bigotry which creates prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It inverts the groups that bigotry values and disvalues. See for example Hector's endless labelling and insulting of people who are "right".
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Grow up.
It just panders into the massive division between the haves and have nots we have in this Country to go around calling people stupid and uneducated just because it's easy for the political class to pull to wool over their eyes.
I can forgive someone who's grown up in a seaside town with lack of prospects for falling prey to a snake oil salesman, but educated people really have no excuse for reinforcing their view that they're not being listened to by insulting them at every opportunity.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Inverted snobbery is a form of snobbery which looks down on certain social groups. It inverts the groups that snobbery values and disvalues.
Inverted bigotry is a form of bigotry which creates prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It inverts the groups that bigotry values and disvalues. See for example Hector's endless labelling and insulting of people who are "right".
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Grow up.
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posted on 7/5/25
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 23 seconds ago
Looks like you've made up your mind that you want to help Reform get into power.
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I won't vote for them, maybe you will.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 23 seconds ago
Looks like you've made up your mind that you want to help Reform get into power.
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I won't vote for them, maybe you will.
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You'll convince a load of people to vote for them without even knowing that you're doing it, just like you did tories and leavers.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 23 seconds ago
Looks like you've made up your mind that you want to help Reform get into power.
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I won't vote for them, maybe you will.
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You'll convince a load of people to vote for them without even knowing that you're doing it, just like you did tories and leavers.
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Don't personalise this, you don't like it
posted on 7/5/25
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
posted on 7/5/25
It's not personal, it's just a fact that there's a group of people who claim to be tolerant of others but go around insulting groups of people who are less able to grasp the outcome of their election votes.
See above comment. You can't get people to believe they should tolerate others differences when you're intolerant to others differences.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Grow faster and stronger is not a "judge us in 5 years claim". It is explicit that it will happen quickly.
And then they hit business with a £25bn employer tax hike.
It was called out by many at the time of the budget that their actions would not deliver growth and with every passing day this is being backed up by the stats.
We've now run into more global turbulence which is just hitting an economy that's just been battered by its own Government.
The whole "wait and see" BS is to ignore what the really quite predictable outcomes of the budget will be.
RR's small margin for error (billions instead of 10s of billions) just means now that the additional headwinds have completely screwed her figures and we will be a year on from this lot worse off in almost every metric and facing the very likely prospect of personal tax rises, just to fill their own black hole....and what do you think tax rises will do for our economy? give it a boost?
We can all see where this is going. If we are relying on a new Theme Park in the midlands, the 2nd Thames crossing, another Heathrow runway, HS2 to deliver growth then we will be waiting a lot longer than 5 years to see a return on that.
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I'm gonna wait and see. You do you.
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I'll do me....which was saying back in October that the budget will not bring growth, will hit inflation, will hit the job market, will suppress pay rises, will see interest rates stay higher longer, will hit mortgage costs, will hit costs of living......and lo and behold!
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Grow faster and stronger is not a "judge us in 5 years claim". It is explicit that it will happen quickly.
And then they hit business with a £25bn employer tax hike.
It was called out by many at the time of the budget that their actions would not deliver growth and with every passing day this is being backed up by the stats.
We've now run into more global turbulence which is just hitting an economy that's just been battered by its own Government.
The whole "wait and see" BS is to ignore what the really quite predictable outcomes of the budget will be.
RR's small margin for error (billions instead of 10s of billions) just means now that the additional headwinds have completely screwed her figures and we will be a year on from this lot worse off in almost every metric and facing the very likely prospect of personal tax rises, just to fill their own black hole....and what do you think tax rises will do for our economy? give it a boost?
We can all see where this is going. If we are relying on a new Theme Park in the midlands, the 2nd Thames crossing, another Heathrow runway, HS2 to deliver growth then we will be waiting a lot longer than 5 years to see a return on that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm gonna wait and see. You do you.
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I'll do me....which was saying back in October that the budget will not bring growth, will hit inflation, will hit the job market, will suppress pay rises, will see interest rates stay higher longer, will hit mortgage costs, will hit costs of living......and lo and behold!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not this again.
4.33 years to go, no pain no gain. No sweeties for you fir a while.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's not personal, it's just a fact that there's a group of people who claim to be tolerant of others but go around insulting groups of people who are less able to grasp the outcome of their election votes.
See above comment. You can't get people to believe they should tolerate others differences when you're intolerant to others differences.
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What?
posted on 7/5/25
You're basically an inverted bigot.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Grow faster and stronger is not a "judge us in 5 years claim". It is explicit that it will happen quickly.
And then they hit business with a £25bn employer tax hike.
It was called out by many at the time of the budget that their actions would not deliver growth and with every passing day this is being backed up by the stats.
We've now run into more global turbulence which is just hitting an economy that's just been battered by its own Government.
The whole "wait and see" BS is to ignore what the really quite predictable outcomes of the budget will be.
RR's small margin for error (billions instead of 10s of billions) just means now that the additional headwinds have completely screwed her figures and we will be a year on from this lot worse off in almost every metric and facing the very likely prospect of personal tax rises, just to fill their own black hole....and what do you think tax rises will do for our economy? give it a boost?
We can all see where this is going. If we are relying on a new Theme Park in the midlands, the 2nd Thames crossing, another Heathrow runway, HS2 to deliver growth then we will be waiting a lot longer than 5 years to see a return on that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm gonna wait and see. You do you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll do me....which was saying back in October that the budget will not bring growth, will hit inflation, will hit the job market, will suppress pay rises, will see interest rates stay higher longer, will hit mortgage costs, will hit costs of living......and lo and behold!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not this again.
4.33 years to go, no pain no gain. No sweeties for you fir a while.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not after sweeties.
Just after an economy that isn't being set up to fail.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Farage and Co are the grifters.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 7/5/25
Inverted snobbery is a form of snobbery which looks down on certain social groups. It inverts the groups that snobbery values and disvalues.
Inverted bigotry is a form of bigotry which creates prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It inverts the groups that bigotry values and disvalues. See for example Hector's endless labelling and insulting of people who are "right".
posted on 7/5/25
What are the details of the Indian NI sweetener?
If they can’t claim benefits or use the NHS for free then I can’t see a problem
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Farage and Co are the grifters.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and co. being those who agree with / vote for them
posted on 7/5/25
The people who vote for them are gullible, naive or just plain bigoted , they aren’t necessarily grifters
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
What are the details of the Indian NI sweetener?
If they can’t claim benefits or use the NHS for free then I can’t see a problem
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Unless you think that Indians are going to be turfed away from A&E, and that most companies don't offer private medical insurance and income protection insurance for skilled staff, and skilled staff are likely to claim benefits, then that's really no different to people who have to pay NI.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
What are the details of the Indian NI sweetener?
If they can’t claim benefits or use the NHS for free then I can’t see a problem
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To a degree, it's how it reads that is the biggest problem.
NI is generally viewed as a contribution towards societal things, that benefit us all without all of us necessarily relying on them. for the greater good.
It does not help a negative perception towards immigration that people can come here and opt out of this contribution. After 3 years they then get full access having contributed nothing .
As said above, its not a big issue but it will be made one and fundamentally it does not appear fair.
In principle it would be like someone who does not have kids, or put their kids through private school saying they should get a tax rebate equivalent to the amount of their taxes gone towards education.
If you are here, if you are part of our society then you contribute on a fair basis.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
The people who vote for them are gullible, naive or just plain bigoted , they aren’t necessarily grifters
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Back in the 1997 election around 49% of 25-44 year olds voted for Labour.
Aren't you referring to a large proportion of this demographic as gullible naive and just plain bigoted since that age group is most likely to have shifted to Reform?
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
And if anyone is so feeble minded to be swayed by a random on a footy forum, they deserve Farage and Co. in fact that's the fodder the grifters eat up.
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It's these sort of conceited comments, to put down large chunks of the population as "grifters", that typifies arrogance of people like you. It's like mocking those voting Trump as idiots, when you are actually referring to the majority.
You want to sit their feeling superior to all of them, belittling them as grifters or right-wingers or racists or whatever, then you are ignoring the issues rather than doing something to counter this uprising.
This Government can sit there and claim it's classic anti new Govt protest votes, and be complacent about it, but like Factchecker said, that's exactly what happened with Brexit.
Their heart may be in the right place but Keir and chums have a lot to learn about running the Govt.
If you look at that India trade deal, few will give a FF about it. It means very little to the man on the street.
What many will jump on is the NI holiday that Indian migrants will get. Massive OG by Labour, another one! It may not amount to much financially but it just appears as more favours for migrants that the natives are paying for. Where we are all being squeezed financially, this is inevitably not going down well.
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Farage and Co are the grifters.
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and co. being those who agree with / vote for them
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Tice, Anderson, Jenkyns et al.
Vote for who you want, that's democracy, I wouldn't vote for a group of politicians who cannot vote to replace their leader.
posted on 7/5/25
Those voting Trump or Reform are at very best ignorant.
I fully understand the anger that's got them searching for an alternative but there's no valid excuse for supporting either when you understand who & what you're voting for.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Inverted snobbery is a form of snobbery which looks down on certain social groups. It inverts the groups that snobbery values and disvalues.
Inverted bigotry is a form of bigotry which creates prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It inverts the groups that bigotry values and disvalues. See for example Hector's endless labelling and insulting of people who are "right".
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Grow up.
posted on 7/5/25
It just panders into the massive division between the haves and have nots we have in this Country to go around calling people stupid and uneducated just because it's easy for the political class to pull to wool over their eyes.
I can forgive someone who's grown up in a seaside town with lack of prospects for falling prey to a snake oil salesman, but educated people really have no excuse for reinforcing their view that they're not being listened to by insulting them at every opportunity.
posted on 7/5/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Inverted snobbery is a form of snobbery which looks down on certain social groups. It inverts the groups that snobbery values and disvalues.
Inverted bigotry is a form of bigotry which creates prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It inverts the groups that bigotry values and disvalues. See for example Hector's endless labelling and insulting of people who are "right".
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Grow up.
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Someone wrote a really good academic paper on this, I'll pass on your message to them.
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