Points tracker - Madrid

i feel rafa has got a great chance to win rome it is strange though that despite people saying he has been given a new lease of life post MC he is now behind feds.
But i think rafa will be back to his best here.

Rome is definitely his best shot, even more than RG this year I would add, or, to put it another way, if he doesn't win it, he most likely will lose RG too (against Nole in SF or F) and go even further down the rankings later during the year...

His record is RG is superior than in Rome.

True, but Nole's recent record in slams (and the variety of the courts on all slams is close to non existent) is much better than Rafa's. So Nole might decide not to give 100% to give it all then at RG or might lose more easily to Fed in a best of 3 if Fed is physically there, etc. His record in Rome is close to perfect too anyways...
Amrit, did you actually leave 606v2 as I quickly checked and haven't seen a comment from you this weekend?

i saw this on v2 and wanted to check if this is true? i hope it isn't but summerblues your da damnnn bosssss for this stuff so just wanted you to clarify it please.
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We are all amateurs at this so we may all make errors. As far as I can tell their calculations are slightly off, but not by too much.

I believe because of the max number of tournaments that one can count Nadal will drop 45 points from Queens after Rome. Therefore, Federer's effective lead is 370 points rather than 325 points. I listed the scenarios on this thread last night. Once again, they are:

- If Nadal wins Rome, he is #2 for RG
- If Nadal loses in the final, Fed will need SF or better (which, given his draw, should be very doable)
- If Nadal loses SF or earlier, Fed is #2 for RG

So Federer obviously not yet guaranteed #2 for RG but I believe he is slightly better off than the post from v2 suggested.

cheers boss i was hoping you would prove to me that infact it would be out of rafa's hands but alas i can only see bird challenging rafa on the way to the final 2bh.

The ATP site is showing Fed at 9430 and Nadal at 9105 already, so why are they not counting the point drop from Queens? Or do you mean at the end of next week? In which case you are right but it does not matter much in the big scheme except maybe for the unlikely case where Rafa loses before SF but it is possible if he meets Berdych on the way, who knows?

We agree on the Berdych case Nonetheless, it's still on Rafa's hands as he can get to Final or win it, so Fed still needs to try and get as far as he can, if I were him I'd aim at SF and depending on whether Nadal awaits in Final, tank the SF versus Djoko or win the whole thing and be the first at 21 masters 1000

Yes, Rafa's Queens will only drop after Rome. Agree those 45 points do not matter very much.

what a great day it has been.

First and foremost FEDERER waved his over madrid winning his 20th masters title !!!! :D

anddd man city came back to win the most incredible prem title to pip stinky smelly man utd.
ahhhh good times a toast to you all