Is Lucas Finally trying to Force the Move

Ah you asked the same question RR while I was typing

Great minds think alike, WSLP, as do not so great ones.

In the OP's defence, I guess in the politically-driven world of Real Madrid the logic of 'we missed out on this world class midfielder, so let's buy this world class winger' might seem less implausible. However, with Mourinho in charge (and with greater power over dealings than previous managers), acquisitions appear to have been more pragmatic than in the galactic era of the past.

Well the reson I say Madrid will not need Lucas if they get Lucas is not to do with position or thier individual style of play, Its just that I dont see them having room in the team for Ozil, Modric, Ronaldo and Lucas, all four are ball players and perform best with the ball at thier feet making it hard for better ball movement. There are other players that woul complement Modric or Lucas but having them play together in my opinion is not a wise tactic. there is also the idea of his prize. He really is expensive for a 19yr old and with Madrid getting Modric I dont see why they would bother getting an unproven talent at that prize when they already boast a team that is close to being the best in the world.

comment by Quachett (U15228)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well the reson I say Madrid will not need Lucas if they get Lucas is not to do with position or thier individual style of play, Its just that I dont see them having room in the team for Ozil, Modric, Ronaldo and Lucas, all four are ball players and perform best with the ball at thier feet making it hard for better ball movement. There are other players that woul complement Modric or Lucas but having them play together in my opinion is not a wise tactic. there is also the idea of his prize. He really is expensive for a 19yr old and with Madrid getting Modric I dont see why they would bother getting an unproven talent at that prize when they already boast a team that is close to being the best in the world.
______________________

Sorry, but I think you've misunderstood us or us you originally. Your statement "IF Madrid get Modric they will not need Lucas" given the thread suggests that if Madrid don't get Modric then they will suddenly challenge us for Lucas as an alternative, and we're saying Lucas is not an alternative to Modric in any playing sense.

Quachett

I still don't see Lucas and Modric ever competing for a spot in the team. Modric would be competing with Alonso, Khedeira, Sahin, etc., while Lucas would be competing with Ronaldo, Angel di Maria, Ozil, etc.

However, I guess there is some plausibility in the idea that Madrid wouldn't do both when either player would be a kind of expensive luxury - incrementally improving an area of the team where they were already very strong.

The Wonderfully Sweet Little Pea

The reason why I think Madrid will go for Lucas if they do not get Modric is that They have already shown some interest in Lucas Albeit small but it is there. Of course my main source is the news papers so that vould be a complete fabrication on thier part but Im sure there had to be something tht made them come up with a story of Madrid's interest in Lucas
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Red Russian

The competition is not for position but rather about tactics, for example if we get Lucas then playing Rooney, Hernandez, Kagawa and Lucas, Nani and Valencia will be a bad tactic as the deffence will be left exposed also making either rooney or kagawa point les and Nani or Lucas point less you can play at most with 5 of them and put in Carrick or Anderson instead of the droped player.

Thts what im saying Lucas and Modric cant be in the same team with Ronaldo and Ozil one of them has to be droped

comment by Quachett (U15228)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Wonderfully Sweet Little Pea

The reason why I think Madrid will go for Lucas if they do not get Modric is that They have already shown some interest in Lucas Albeit small but it is there. Of course my main source is the news papers so that vould be a complete fabrication on thier part but Im sure there had to be something tht made them come up with a story of Madrid's interest in Lucas
_______________________

Fair enough, but logically it doesn't make much sense given the two players are different in many senses including fundamentally their position, and Lucas would be more expensive than the price Madrid say they can't go above for Modric.

Also given Mourinho's in charge now at Madrid, and he's very detailed and meticulous in everything he does, I can't believe he'd specifically target a CM like Modric, then fail and go for a tricky 10/wide man instead, especially given the wide players and 10's already at Madrid.

Anyway, we're all guessing

I am sorry but Quachett but that is a very porous argument.

The potential acquisition of Lucas M by Madrid doesn't impinge on other acquisitions or permutations of personnel on the pitch by Madrid.

The Red Connoisseur

so long as they have Modric whis proven and a more secure option and the aim of player acqusition is to strengthen a squad then getting Lucas means Madrid have to consider thier purchases and the tactics those purchases will invoke.

You do not buy for the sack of buying. Modric's display against spain in Euro 2012 made him the player Madrid wants to handle Barca so his acqusition is primary while the acqusition of Lucas is experimental and one that is pointless in the event they get Modric as Modric will aid tactics to handle the real threat they have. Lucas will only complecate matters as his presence and style of play will not allow Modric to fully take control as Lucas is more effective when he has the ball. It is, I believe, the reason why United wants Lucas he has the potential to be a central Midfielder that can control play as he is comfortable with the ball at his feet.

I fear Madrid may come into the fray and drive the price up.
______________

I can't see it. As others have noted, it would make no sense for Madrid to bid more for Lucas than they are prepared to bid for Modric, especially as they seem to be dead keen on the latter.

By all accounts, only United have put in a formal bid for Lucas. I expect that his club is waiting to see if interest from other clubs translates into a formal bid.

If the player has not been signed by end July then I can't see him going anywhere this summer. A lot of people say this one will go to the wire but I'm not so sure. If it's true that Sao Paulo will receive less of the transfer fee after 1st Aug then I can't see the move becoming more likely after that date.

What makes this saga frustrating is the sheer amount of BS wofting over the Atlantic...

E.g.

"Other teams have also expressed interest for Lucas, but only through the press from their countries."

WTF? Since when do clubs express interest via local media? Can we infer from this that NO other club has formally expressed interest of any kind? If so then I think United are right to let Sao Paulo sweat over this one. I certainly wouldn't be rushing to increase our offer.


"Lucas has already expressed his intention of eventually staying at Sao Paulo,"

Oh really? SAF would not have prepared such an "important bid" if he had not even sounded out the player to see if he was interested in a move. If the player wants to stay in Brazil, and his club does not want to sell, then why the hell would there have been any discussion on the subject with United or anyone else?

Like I said, sooo much BS coming from Brazil that the more I read into this the more I think they are keen to sell. Methinks they doth protest too much.....