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On the positive outcome I know it is a challenging profession, the jokes about long holidays...Well, teachers need them to recharge their batteries in what can be an emotionally draining job.

I was only briefly a teacher for a couple of years (so many leave within five years of qualifying), I remember one Christmas, telling one class that their present was no homework, more done to spare myself being greeted by thirty books of mistakes in the New Year. You'd have thought they would have been happy, but one kid was disappointed!

School-children tend to be on their 'best' behaviour during OFSTED, but school management tend to make the whole affair stressful (the pressure to reach targets etc, micro-management from above). From what I saw, the inspectors did not try to undermine staff. But it is a stressful time.

Even though it seems a lifetime ago since I was a teacher, I've always believed class sizes do affect things, and it can't be coincidence that class sizes in private schools tend to be smaller, that parents are prepared to pay for this privilege, and I think educational standards/pupil performance would increase/improve by limiting class sizes as well as taking pressure off staff.

I do think teachers should be allowed to punish the kids more. I don't mean just using the cane, but give them a beasting army style....

Bob

It's the ONE thing they will NOT admit to - they will try everything else - every crackpot, trendy scheme but believe that smaller class sizes will deliver.

Even the LSC (Learning and Skills Council) published a report saying there was no link between large class sizes and low achievement .....

Anyway, we digress - all I know that an afternoon at PP is great catharsis for myself and a surprising number of colleagues.....(Year 10 and 11 Rams supporters not-withstanding - actually that's not fair, they are always very polite and pleased see their 'teachers' outside of the classroom environment... )

Cap, I concur, teaching is a stressful job and teachers simply do not get the support or respect they deserve.

I remember from teaching job that the higher ups often treated me like their enemy as if they were convinced that me and the other teachers were out to get them, or some other insane belief like that. This was especially bad during inspections when the higher ups' paranoias were at maximum.

Also, View is that true? That is insane, there is loads of evidence to show that smaller class sizes (within reason) are more conducive towards productive learning. I think most realise there is not the resources out there to fund it, but that does not mean it is not true.

Then again, the way funding is distributed in our system is insane.

It's why I scrape together Lil'Un's fees every term: give her every opportunity to be whatever she wants to be without having illiterate idiots whose ambitions stretch to signing on and having kids asap distracting her.

The contacts she's making won't harm her in the jobs market either.. The lack of discipline in the new generations is frankly disgusting and can only lead to yet more social problems as the feral element start breeding to get housing.

Time for some selective sterilization of these muppets and their lazy parents.

666 in

Is that Clough in OR out then 666?

Yes, Al - it was 8-10 years ago because it was produced like a rabbit out of a hat when I had put forward very valid reasons for smaller class sizes....

I'm afraid to really let rip here 'cos in fairness it is a football (DCFC) forum and comments about the education system and the way Gove is taking it would just bore the pants of those who do not have a direct/indirect stake in it.

Perhaps I should start a posting entilted "Michael Gove is a tawt" or "What REALLY happened to Michael Gove when HE was at school?"

Oh, please moan away, I am no lover of Gove or his insane, neo-new right ideologies.

Though, I am not sure 666's points are ones I wholly agree with. I take the idea that 'the younger generations are all wasters' personally.

Just to clarify, Al, I don't believe that they're ALL wasters, just a much higher percentage than before and it increases exponentially with every (hesitates to use the term) 'generation'.

I say 'generation' but of course these days they're belting out broods just as soon as The State will start paying for them, and lots of them, whilst those who strive to make their own way have less children and later in life, hence the numbers becoming skewed.

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