I have nothing against a difference of opinion, but as mentioned in a previous post, having such a negative and almost willingness for FSG to be 'proven' as bad owners, is slowing down our growth and success.
Surely it is only worth raising our voice when something bad actually happens, when there is evidence. Such as, applying debt on the club, selling our best players continuously for years without replacing them with similar talent or perhaps pimping the club around for the next available suitor.
Fans come from all backgrounds. Some young, some old, some new and some not. The modern day billionaire mentality has become a problem, with younger generations feeling a need for instant success, the notion of patience and true virtue are non-existent.
Answer me this, Samir Nasri winning the premier league or Steven Gerrard *finally* winning the Premier league, which of the two would be the better feat? Or Are they the same? Which is more satisfying for fans?
- I want nothing more than to be wrong about FSG and BR
I see this comment often, unless you are a WUM, your relentless enforcing of anti FSG propaganda is detrimental, surely you should have your opinion and defend it, but don’t attack others with it when a debate gets tough.
If you want nothing more to be wrong, then my solution is why don’t you ‘be wrong’ for the foreseeable future? FSG have done nothing wrong, note: mistakes are not the same thing as a wrong doing. It appears the owners don’t want to put the club in a position where it could collapse, so they are using their educated minds and experience to install some structure to help with this.
- Just because I don’t have the opinion of the majority
I don’t even know why this is ever mentioned, it feels as though, being different is making you more happy rather than wanting the truth and best for the club in the present time. It is also used as a defence mechanism, which is normal, given the narrow views I hear on here.
- What happens when they get bored of their toy?
This would be that generic answer founded from nothing. A very big hypothetical. They are a business and the club is an entity. People naturally do not enjoy failure, why would they adopt such an asset to get bored and ultimately give up on it by choice? Childish and unintelligent!
If it fails 5-10 years down the line, that’s the risk every club in the world faces … We cannot use something that might happen as a reason to stop current ownerships plans for our future. It doesn’t make sense
- Look at where the Red Sox are now.
Irrelevant – Nothing guarantees success, money, sustainability, youth, big named managers – nothing
Baseball and the Red Sox as historic as they are is no Liverpool football club when it comes to global awareness, we have more clout – more clout will eventually mean more money once we streamline. Patience is required, not cynicism.
There is always risk – as is in everyday life – doesn’t mean we stop.
For the Cynics
posted on 11/1/13
I thought you had left?
1) 8th Richest? Why that suggests that we are the club with the 8th most amount of money at our disposal. Unless you are referring to the Forbes list that placed the VALUE of the club as the 8th highest in the world at just over $600m. Value does not equate to having the cash to compete. To put it in context, our operating income was $45m, Arsenals $98m and Utd at $178m. So again you are bashing FSG for not being rich enough. Oh and btw, that value of $600m means that since FSG have taken over, the value of the club, from what they paid at that time, has increased.
2) FSG haters will hold onto that quote until their dying breath. Werner did say that, and has since turned around and said that they are not going to splurge the cash again since kenny/commoli pi$$ed it up the wall. I know this is ignored by the anti-fsg brigade and I knwo you will never forget that quote despite everythign that happened since then.
3) I know.
FSG havign no ambition for the club doesn;t make any sense seeing as you have already demonstratedf that they have increased the value fo the club since they bought it. Even in the worst case scenario of them being big evil corporate types, their ambition will still be to grow the busness and make us stronger financially before they sell us off.
Nothign you say adds up or makes sense.
posted on 11/1/13
Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
When you say operating income does that include wages as per the norm of the meaning and also does it include transfer fees and associated costs such as signing on fees agents?
Just interested.
posted on 11/1/13
I've not worded that well. I mean is that profit after paying wages as per the norm of the meaning?
posted on 11/1/13
Operating income usually means cash in the bank after all costs have been paid.
So we have the 8th biggest value on the club which relates to the assets such as the players the stadium etc.
Our revenue is all the money generated by the club in a fiscal year and that is less or about half of the likes of utd, madrid, barca.
Then after all the bills are paid we are left with our operating income.
This its why its so important to reduce the wages on the books of all the unnecasary players as our operating income is so small compared to the very top earners.
So, realistically withoug any money coming out of the owners pockets, we have $45, or about 30mil quid to spead on players and wages. So thats one 12mil player on about 80k per week in a 5 year contract.
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posted on 11/1/13
Thank you and that makes sense. The owners are rich enough though you know. Just saying.
posted on 11/1/13
Yes but 'rich' is a misnomer. FSG may be worth billions, but this worth comes from the value of their assets such as LFC, Red Sox, Rousch Racing et al. Them being worth billions doesn't necessarily mean they have billions in cash just lying around.
It's like you owning a home worth 200k. Your value is 200k, but if you only have 50p in your pocket, you only have 50p no matter what your worth is.
FSG seem to be doing a good job of increasing our operating income. Commercial money will come in, wages are down, we will make steady progress. Too many people want them to work like abrahmovichs which is just unrealistic. They've taken us from the brink of bankruptcy to being in a string financial position. We can get stronger. And I'm confident we will do under these owners
posted on 11/1/13
I understand the concept but I'm saying that I think they are actually rich.
posted on 11/1/13
Ok then!! I have no idea what they've got stashed under their mattress 👍
posted on 11/1/13
Well they reckon Henry is worth over a billion dollars on his own. I reckon they could have a whip round couldn't they!
As I said though I'm happy enough with what the owners are doing but I don't buy into the notion that this season was going to be a right off and that where we are is okay as I rate the squad individuality.
We'll see though. I have a sneaky feeling that we'll do well in the Europa and if you throw in gate receipts and match day takings it's worth more than people give credit - between £14m and £16m apparently if yo win it and I'd rather have it than not.
It's also highly regarded abroad, not derided like here, and I hope it helps attract players. It's important for the club to qualify for Europe in my opinion and if we do that I'll be happy enough.
posted on 11/1/13
*individually