Manager Giggs

To be fair, we can;t just ignore the fact that Fergie often sacrificed a players flair to turn them into more all round players and adding defensive abilities to their games.
Jose too clearly sees that as a major factor (mata)

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I don't think those things have been ignored.

Sunderland can too if we draw tonight and they win their last game.

Just looked at the table

3rd to 8th is seperated by just 3 points

Sunderland have already played their last game. If City fail to beat Villa at home and we draw we'll be top four. A win makes it certain no matter what City do, though.

Ah.

Bloody tables are never updated quickly.

Where do you usually look for the table?

I've noticed soccerway seems to be pretty quick to update scores and tables.

Normally on the Premier League website or Wikipedia but both can be quite slow in updating.

Soccerway it is then.

The United website seems to be shiite in updating the table as well.

The United website, twitter account et al I think is pretty $hite altogether compared to how other club's websites and twitter accounts are run.