Lots of people on here panicking and thinking we're gonna be starting with Evra again next season which is a pretty silly because it makes perfect sense to retain Patrice as back up.
We've lost a lot of experience with Giggs, Rio and Vidic going so of course it makes sense to retain someone with vital experience in this squad. I'm certain we'll bring in Shaw and the current delay is down to the World Cup which was the exact same thing when we signed Carrick in 2006.
Now when we get Shaw, who would you rather have as back up? Evra who is someone who could step in with no real issues or Buttner? A guy who really isn't good enough for us.
An 18 Shaw should be fine but I'd much rather have Patrice come in as an insurance policy for Shaw than Buttner and I'm sure the club think the same.
People are looking at the timing of all this in a linear fashion.
The maths they do in their head goes like this...
Evra signs another contract + Shaw hasn't joined yet = we're sticking with Evra as first choice.
In reality the reason we announced evra signing yesterday was because that was the day all our released players had to be announced. It just so happened that that list was announced before we will sign Shaw. Don't panic.
As for Shaw joining Chelsea? They already have a top class left back in Azipi. Ffp is hitting them hard so why the hell would they buy a £30 million left back when they already have one and need a CB, a CM and a striker?
Don't let the transfer window worry you so much. Enjoy the world cup and the upcoming whodunit in regards to who killed Lucy Beale. I think it was Macca.
Why we re-signed Evra.
posted on 24/5/14
FFP isn't hitting us hard.
posted on 24/5/14
The exact same things were not said about Bridge, you're the only person making these claims and comparisons.
My family live near southampton and my stepdad is a ST holder. Speaking to him and the many saints fans it's clear to them that Shaw is something special, only previously witnessed with Walcott, Bale and a bit with the Ox. He is a far bigger talent than Bridge and virtually all saints fans say this do I don't understand where you come out with this Bridge comparison krap?
posted on 24/5/14
Also Bale wasn't rubbish at LB for saints, far from it which was why both us and Spurs were after him. It was at spurs where he struggled at LB and Harry moved him further up the field.
posted on 24/5/14
comment by #Robb (U19350)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
Mudd, you were saying last summer that we were right to start low in our bidding for Cesc. You were saying that it makes business sense to start low and work upwards.
I'm sure the club would have paid whatever it took to get Cesc but ultimately he decided to stay.
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Robb, said so because Barca applied the same tactics when they signed him from Arsenal.
When he came out and said he was staying it screwed up what we were trying to do.
Shaw at the moment is potential and we should really not be paying more than 18m for him.
I agree Southampton should not sell their players for cheap but we also should not throw 30m around, think about the rest of our targets and how that will inflate their prices as well.
posted on 24/5/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Also Bale wasn't rubbish at LB for saints, far from it which was why both us and Spurs were after him. It was at spurs where he struggled at LB and Harry moved him further up the field.
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I was talking about his stint at Spurs. They almost flogged him as well.
We can use 30m to sign 2 players including a LB, if Shaw is the best our scouts can find then they need sacking
posted on 24/5/14
I wouldn't be surprised if Shaw was the world cup breakthrough player. Baines is very good, but Shaw is his equal at 18.
posted on 24/5/14
Or we could use the £30m on a brilliant talent in Shaw who at 18 is already proven in the PL, potentially has 15+ years in him at the top level and most importantly is a very very good player who will only improve.
We've got serious transfers to sort out, cutting corners and saving a few million here and there isn't going to help us in the long run. Shaw was voted the best LB in the PL by players this season and will instantly improve us.
posted on 24/5/14
Ryan Giggs was voted PfA player of the year by his fellow pros a few years ago.
It is not a standard of measurement
posted on 24/5/14
Jesus Christ what is wrong with you, you use examples that are the exception to the rule to prove your points, it doesn't work like that.
Most players that get picked for England are the right choice and equally most players that get voted for awards are also the right choice or very close. Shaw was rightly picked for the England squad as he was easily one of England's top 2 performers at LB this season. Equally he was easily one of the best LBs this season which is why he was voted by so many professionals.
You have a weird problem with Shaw, we get that, but you fail to explain why. He has had an excellent season for Saints, their fans have stated he has exceptional talent and at 18 already seems like a seasoned pro. What is your problem, yes he will cost a lot of money but considering he could be our first choice LB for 15 years it'll be worth it.
And stop with your pathetic Bridge comparisons, no one is making them other than yourself. It's a lazy and completely untrue. Bridge strengths were his attacking attributes as he started out at Saints as a winger. Shaw has never been a winger and is a far better defender than Bridge.
posted on 24/5/14
My problem with Shaw is that most of you have not seen him play more than a handful of games and have proclaimed him the second coming of Maldini.
Giggs was voted by professionals, Scholes was not picked ahead of Lamps and Gerrard. These are facts, whether you want to believe them or not.
Fellaini had a great season at Everton and the fans lauded him for it, remember how that turned out? Southampton fans rated Bridge as well, that was why CHelsea signed him, how was he better defensively than Bridge? What do you base this on? Bridge played at the highest level, Shaw has not done this and yet some are willing to spúnk 30m on him, why?
What is the evidence available to suggest he will make it at this level? How do you know he will last 15 years? How do you know he will make it and be here at the highest level for 15 years?
No one knows, which is why you do not take such stupid risks.
Gibbs is better than Shaw, as is Baines. We have other areas of the pitch that need strengthening and spending 30m on a LB is stupid. Especially one still learning the trade and could easily flop.
When I say this, people get upset, why is that?
I will never advocate the purchase of 'questionable potential' which is why I have been against the purchase of Moura, Carvalho and Shaw.
You would think the lessons learnt from Anderson, Nani, Jones et al would make people aware that a promising kid may just as well flop and you have an expensive flop on your hands you cannot get rid of without making a monumental loss.
The reason why I bring up Bridge is because people said the exact same things about him, same with Bale who was a horrible LB.
Southampton do not want to sell which is why they have put up such a price tag, we should not be stupid as well.
There are established LBs who are tested at the highest level and I would rather spend half that for their services than some overpriced LB who costs so much simply because he is English.