Arteta out for 6 feckin weeks!!!

comment by SupermaTheo (U19321)
posted 57 seconds ago
Forsyth worked successfully with the German national team before.

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I have literally no idea what your point is.

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I mean we should be okay with our medical staff at our club as Forsyth employed before the season, an fitness guru and expert.

Its the other way around our player fall like flies.

I mean we should be okay with our medical staff at our club as Forsyth employed before the season, an fitness guru and expert.

Its the other way around our player fall like flies.

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I know about Forsyth's history and I hoped he would be a big success when he was appointed. But what's the point of bringing in a young yet experienced bloke at the top of his field to come in and change the methods to address our terrible fitness record, and then keep the same team that were responsible for that record.

It feels like Gazidis thought right let's address the problem, bring in a top new bloke, sorted everything out, welcome Shad, then he went to Wenger and said the new chap is here and Wenger said that's nice but I'm not going to get rid of any of my blokes.

Pointless appointment, Shad will sit on the sidelines until Wenger goes then I guarantee he will be made head of fitness at the club and Colbert will booted out.

But its not down to fitness is it? All our players are fit but if they don't know how to fall eg Debuchy because there isn't sufficient tackling in training or our players are going into tackles with the wrong foot eg Theo because he doesn't do enough tackling in training, or Arteta as a holding player that requires a lot of physical effort in the premier league (unlike International level) and at 32 is body is bound to break down or over playing like Welbeck (who never had a full season as a starter at Man Utd).

A lot of it has to be down to coaching methods and not fitness methods. Coaching has to be responsibility of the first team coach and the manager.

comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Thats actually great news to be honest. I love Arteta but if he is going to be injury prone all season then best we find out in janurary so we can replace him, probably long term. Hopefully there is someone out there
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How the fúck is a 3 month injury to our captain great news? Because it will 'force Wenger's hand' in the transfer market, is it? Under what sort of regime should we hope our players get injured to force Wenger into strengthening?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
But its not down to fitness is it? All our players are fit but if they don't know how to fall eg Debuchy because there isn't sufficient tackling in training or our players are going into tackles with the wrong foot eg Theo because he doesn't do enough tackling in training, or Arteta as a holding player that requires a lot of physical effort in the premier league (unlike International level) and at 32 is body is bound to break down or over playing like Welbeck (who never had a full season as a starter at Man Utd).

A lot of it has to be down to coaching methods and not fitness methods. Coaching has to be responsibility of the first team coach and the manager.
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Tbh, I can understand the reason behind the lack of tackling in training (not saying I agree with it btw).
But for the last 10 seasons, we always had a fine squad, which I think Wenger tried to "protect" as much as he could. I think he didn't want to get players injured unnecessary during training like it happens in some other team.
Having said that, now it is different. If we had a fully fit squad, our bench will still look pretty decent compared to the last few seasons.

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I think he didn't want to get players injured unnecessary during training like it happens in some other team.
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But actually the argument is counter intuitive.

I love the NFL and it has to be the most physical sport in the world. The violence inflicted is second to none. I had the privilege to see their practice. They hit as hard in training if not more than the game. And I was told specifically to avoid injuries because the players would get used to the angles when they were being hit and learn how to avoid damage. More than that the game was so much faster than football (soccer) and to a great extent they were doing this with muscle memory and instinctive reaction rather than thinking abt it.

I think coaching is at fault at Arsenal not the fitness regimes.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think he didn't want to get players injured unnecessary during training like it happens in some other team.
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But actually the argument is counter intuitive.

I love the NFL and it has to be the most physical sport in the world. The violence inflicted is second to none. I had the privilege to see their practice. They hit as hard in training if not more than the game. And I was told specifically to avoid injuries because the players would get used to the angles when they were being hit and learn how to avoid damage. More than that the game was so much faster than football (soccer) and to a great extent they were doing this with muscle memory and instinctive reaction rather than thinking abt it.

I think coaching is at fault at Arsenal not the fitness regimes.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But 2 seasons ago for example our bench was soooo poor you could understand that we didn't want anyone to get badly injured, especially during training.
However, as I said now our bench is (or at least should be if it wasn't for the injuries) good enough to replace most of the players on the pitch without suffering too much. So it is probably time now to introduce those contact tackles.

The point I am trying to make IAWR is that if this is the excuse Wenger used to cut down on physical contact he did it without any actual evidence and probably against best practise. Thats especially bad if you think his primary role in trying to develop youngsters is to teach them how to tackle and to avoid bad tackles. You only have to look at what happened to Eduardo and Ramsey to know if both players had anticipated the challenges they would have got their legs moving and maybe avoided the bad breaks they both suffered. Its not always about bad luck. A lot of it has to be the responsibility of coaches at Arsenal.

Thats one of my bug bears with Wenger. Fergie always knew his limitations and relied on others as he got older. Wenger still thinks of himself as the arch know it all and is so patently behind modern coaches. I really think Wenger needs to up stairs quickly.

Sorry, I had to edit it with the latest news from today's presser