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Who are you all voting for then, come on?

I'm predicting a well-hung parliament. As in, it's gonna be even more split than last time.

Hoping for a surprise Labour majority though. Can't have the tories running a muck for another 5 years for fĂșcks sakes.

If you need any more reasons as to why you should not be voting Tory (which you shouldn't), please visit my twitter account @thedailybmuk
There should be more than enough information there. Yes, this thread is biased

posted 10 hours, 18 minutes ago

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 30 seconds ago
So, now that's out of your system, how do you account for the actual vote counts? If you have an answer I'd appreciate your insight - I deal with numbers every day, I don't understand the assertions made on here about the death of Labour.
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Nationwide?

Generational differences in economic outcomes and social aspirations mean Corbyn is especially popular to people under 40, and living in cities where there are - shock - a lot of people.

It's a long term concern for the Tories - how to get young people supportive of capitalism if they have no capital? How do they have a stake in society with the decline of home ownership? There are other questions but those are big ones.

Unfortunately for Labour - first past the post nullifies this effect. Especially because it requires you to build coalitions of seats, and unfortunately they have lost resonance and connection with about a third of the Labour party, as their interests compete with the younger and more metropolitan base.

Social attitude surveys also back me up that priorities are concerns are also deeply contrasting - especially on issues like the EU, immigration and crime.

posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be an acceptance of how important the psychological aspect of 'not voting Labour' is.

In Scotland, once we stopped voting Labour we didn't go back. There's a real threat that this will be repeated in the north of England. The plaster has been ripped off now. They aren't Labour voters now and if you try to claim they are then they'll resent it.
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That suggests there's an oppotunity post-Brexit for a new party, many of these people are reluctant Tory voters - hence they can stomach a Brexit Party vote.

I've no doubt some are moving to Conversatives, but can't believe this is significant. In truth we probably won't know for another 5 years.

posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
"Don't tell Henry this, he will cry."

Ah well, I guess the grown up chat is done for the day.
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Well you begun acting like a baby, so I made an honest attempt to prevent your tears.
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Terrific post. Genuinely don't know why you so frequently post to me like this. It's weird.
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I was worried about you. Your immaturity meant I felt concerned.
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Right. Thanks.
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Guys.

Henry and Blue NPE.

Just debate and agree to differ, and don't take it personally or to heart.


If that's possible, and I know it is hard at times.

But, we are just football fans into politics having a matter.

And when Chelsea beat Arsenal tonight then we can wum lol.

Seriously guys, you are both smart lads and have great insight, so don't fall out every time you clash or post.

And I Know I should practice what i preach.

Tell me to Fook off to the Wall or the North haha.

Hodoor

posted 10 hours, 15 minutes ago

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson #TaintedTitle (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
Tony Blair appealed toLabour voters with aspirations and won by a landslide.

Corbyn only appealed to Labour voters who are stuck in the 1970's and are rapidly diminishing in numbers.
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This.

Like it or not.

And as NPE pointed out Blair was not some Tory lite either.

posted 10 hours, 9 minutes ago

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 8 minutes ago
So, now that's out of your system, how do you account for the actual vote counts? If you have an answer I'd appreciate your insight - I deal with numbers every day, I don't understand the assertions made on here about the death of Labour.
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Worst result from 1935 and one mp in Scotland, where you need support to form a govt

Labour losing Welsh support and still refused to stand in Ulster, even though jezza moaned about an Irish sea border lol.

The north and Midlands going Tory.

Labour became a London centric movement, using identity politics and did not take people with them, especially workers who Labour were set up to defend.

Now, Nandy is trying to address that, as did Jess, but she lost the backing already.

You cannot blame voters or media or brexit or others for Corbynism failing.

More working class vote Tory than Labour and that is shocking for a party formed to represent those folk.

posted 10 hours, 7 minutes ago

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be an acceptance of how important the psychological aspect of 'not voting Labour' is.

In Scotland, once we stopped voting Labour we didn't go back. There's a real threat that this will be repeated in the north of England. The plaster has been ripped off now. They aren't Labour voters now and if you try to claim they are then they'll resent it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That suggests there's an oppotunity post-Brexit for a new party, many of these people are reluctant Tory voters - hence they can stomach a Brexit Party vote.

I've no doubt some are moving to Conversatives, but can't believe this is significant. In truth we probably won't know for another 5 years.
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Many will buy into the Tory project because they want to convince themselves they did the right thing.

And if they feel betrayed by Labour in a very personal way, as has happened in Scotland, they may never go back.

These are extremely dangerous times for the Labour party. This leadership election could be crucial.

posted 10 hours, 5 minutes ago

comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 30 seconds ago
So, now that's out of your system, how do you account for the actual vote counts? If you have an answer I'd appreciate your insight - I deal with numbers every day, I don't understand the assertions made on here about the death of Labour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nationwide?

Generational differences in economic outcomes and social aspirations mean Corbyn is especially popular to people under 40, and living in cities where there are - shock - a lot of people.

It's a long term concern for the Tories - how to get young people supportive of capitalism if they have no capital? How do they have a stake in society with the decline of home ownership? There are other questions but those are big ones.

Unfortunately for Labour - first past the post nullifies this effect. Especially because it requires you to build coalitions of seats, and unfortunately they have lost resonance and connection with about a third of the Labour party, as their interests compete with the younger and more metropolitan base.

Social attitude surveys also back me up that priorities are concerns are also deeply contrasting - especially on issues like the EU, immigration and crime.
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Labour want open borders.

Labour leader's voted against terror legislation and blamed the West for Islamist global terror.

Labour leader's side with or go soft on Putin, Assad, Iran Hezbollah,, pira, Hamas, and were hostile to the armed forces and NATO and America and Israel.

Labour empowered far left antisemitism.

Labour adopted identity politics with Race and Religion an actual platform day prior to election, excluding Jewish people ffs

posted 9 hours, 59 minutes ago

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be an acceptance of how important the psychological aspect of 'not voting Labour' is.

In Scotland, once we stopped voting Labour we didn't go back. There's a real threat that this will be repeated in the north of England. The plaster has been ripped off now. They aren't Labour voters now and if you try to claim they are then they'll resent it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That suggests there's an oppotunity post-Brexit for a new party, many of these people are reluctant Tory voters - hence they can stomach a Brexit Party vote.

I've no doubt some are moving to Conversatives, but can't believe this is significant. In truth we probably won't know for another 5 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Many will buy into the Tory project because they want to convince themselves they did the right thing.

And if they feel betrayed by Labour in a very personal way, as has happened in Scotland, they may never go back.

These are extremely dangerous times for the Labour party. This leadership election could be crucial.
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Nandy stands out for me, but may not get Lond8n and Momentum votes.

Starmer is a bloke, so that goes against him, but RLB lost votes being Catholic and against late term abortion, which I worry about too....as a human, not a bloke or Christian.

Thornberry is just too Thornberry.

posted 9 hours, 36 minutes ago

Barry Gardiner And Burgon were going to stand.

That's why Labour lose too, btw.

No fan of Tories, but dear Lord Labour have produced some right members.

You need more Alan Johnston's.

posted 8 hours, 26 minutes ago

Starmer is a gay bloke, so that goes in his favour.

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