This country really has gone to the dogs

You have to understand that foreign policy is not really moral,and how could it be in this world.
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Then why does morality keep getting brought up?

If everyone's doing things in their own self interest then let's drop this childish idea of good guys and bad guys and just admit it's everyone out for themselves.

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 10 minutes ago
You have to understand that foreign policy is not really moral,and how could it be in this world.
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Then why does morality keep getting brought up?

If everyone's doing things in their own self interest then let's drop this childish idea of good guys and bad guys and just admit it's everyone out for themselves.
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 59 minutes ago
No idea where Saddam got the gas,Mudd...........no doubt us westies did it.

Do you read what I say,as even when I pretty much agree with you,it seems you can't help being smart,and going off on a tangent about N Korea,this time.

You must fekin hate living in the west,Mudd,with all this guilt and woe on your wee shoulders.
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I am not sure why you guys jump on this, hating living in the west. It is a stupid argument.

I enjoy living in the West, I want my govt to represent me, not the interests of defence contractors and special interests.

You guys are so quick to blame muslims and islam for ISIS and terrorism but have a blind spot to our involvement in it as well.

You cannot have it both ways. We are directly responsible for the sht in the ME at the moment. Somehow people want to gloss over our involvement and point fingers at others.

The reason why I brought up North Korea is because you mentioned liberating oppressed people, something I fully support. Why then have we not liberated them? We even have troops nearby and the country is run by a maniac.

I love my country, I love our laws, our way of life but I do not have much time for politicians who do not act in our national interests but are doing the bidding of their corporate masters.

They are the reason for ISIS and why people are scared on the streets. So before you point your finger at others, let us sort out our sht first. Only fair, don't you think?

Starting with not getting involved in domestic issues in the ME

Mudd

Mentalist.I support what you say.

I agree with you.

West out of ME,and I have done an article on this,and admin pulled the first one.

I lay blame at the door of Blair,Bush,islamists et al.

I have never said islam is to blame,but you want me to say that,as you are blinded by your own form of bigotry.

Saf and Mudd

Please provide me with evidence of a moral political policy,and I am talking about reality,and not utopian idealism.

Foreign policy seeks to get what is best for the nation,and all do it.

Blair and Bush launched a moral crusade,and you disagree with them,so you are having it both ways,surely,as when religious westerners use God or moral's,they are interfering crusaders.

I am attempting to be honest in how foreign policy works,and who has the right to say they have the moral high ground in political foreign policy......it is a matter of opinion.

Sadly,everyone is out for themselves,including those of us on here,trying to gain the moral high ground?

Politician's and those in power are not moral,and if you think global politic's revolves around some moral compass,have a word with yourselves,as this is not primary school.

It is a matter of right and wrong,rather than good and bad guys,but who is right,and who decides.

I just ask questions,observe and give my tiny little view on it all.

I claim no moral monopoly,on anything,as I am a spec in the universe,and I do not matter.

I find it amusing how people always look at Muslim-majority countries where there are draconian laws and where a large proportion of Muslims actually disagree with the head of state and the laws they enforce in places such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Yet no-one seems to look at Turkey, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Tunisia where there are plenty of Muslims and they do not (generally speaking) incorporate the same discriminatory and unfair legislation.

The notion that marrying girls under the age of 13 was something that started happening under Islam is factually incorrect. It is a cultural problem more than anything.

It's all well and good telling countries to sort themselves out. How about telling other western countries to not intervene for their own selfish gain?

Yea Samir,I say,stop selfish gain,westerners,and let the rest of them sort it out,free from our input.

I have no doubt there are good muslim people living all over,and it may be cultural,why girls are marrying too young,suffering FGM,but we should stop girls and women being abused,rather than arguing about blaming islam,the pope,or cultural way of life,whatever that excuse means.Stop marrying kids,getting them pregnant and ruining their small bodies,you sick men.

Slavery used to be cultural,samir.

Please provide me with evidence of a moral political policy
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People are always bringing morality into
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Whenever you have a debate, and you do this as well TBAB, people mention (for example) bad things ISIS have done, like killing women, children etc.

But as you said, "foreign policy is not really moral"

So why do you and others keep bringing morality into it?

Yiu cannot have it both ways, you cannot condemn ISIS for their morally wrong actions but excuse our morally wrong actions on the basis of foreign policy not being about morality.

You either care about morality and judge countries/organisations on that basis or you don't. Judging everyone else on morality except for your own country or your own select group of countries is just being biased.

Saf

I have said we wrongly get into these conflicts,or try to remove tyrants,only for more tyrants to come along.
I have condemned the hamas and IDF for targeting innocents or not caring who they kill.#
I spoke against innocent people being hit by western bombs,as well as isis and boko haran bombs.

I know it is not the norm,but I am not a gungho western cheerleader,and when I speak of morality in politics and foreign policy,I was being honest,in how it actually operates,in day to day life.

Whether I am moral,or interested in moral politic's or foreign policy,is frankly irrelevant,as I do not matter,and only God will decide.

Personally,I wish isis and other fanatics would rethink their acts,as the west rethinks,pragmatically,and perhaps with public morality influencing policy,as we did not go into Syria,due to war fatigue.

Discussing morality,in relation to isis or boko haram or elements of our war machines is a luxury,although no harm in seeking moral behaviour,SAF.

I do try to be moral too,bud,but as I say,who cares about that,in the global scheme of things,and it is not my point,while posting.