Gone off in Paris again

Those pushing radical political islamism are a menace to us all.
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Agreed

Mudd

I have decided to choose my words carefully, in order to prevent confusion.

Let us say a few posters have pointed out my words can be misunderstood........especially on sensitive topics, and when people have no idea where I am coming from.

Have a good day, Mudd.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 hours, 34 minutes ago
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Right now, those using islam are murdering in a west africa hotel, days after militant attacks on German tourists in Turkey and tourists in Egypt, while other so called radicals terrorize in Pakistan, India, Iraq, Libya, Syria daily.
Yesterday, it was Indonesia picking up the pieces after miltant muslim radicals went on the rampage.

It is no longer enough to just say it was the west what started it, if it ever was justification.

Many thousands of muslim people were killed by the west in war, and again I opposed our wars from the gulf war on.Many thousands of muslims have been murdered by muslim radicals, and those using islam as a political power trip.

I would suggest african islamism is not our fault in any form, but a sectarian and tribal war.The question is, why are so many partsof the world seeing radical islamist terror weekly?

Hate preachers and social media propaganda is at work.The guy on daesh video recently was a hindu notlong ago, and now he is shooting muslims live on air, so that suggests an evil brainwashing imo.
Many of the muslim folk from the uk with daesh are graduates, and not poor oppressed ghetto jihadists, so the social poverty and no education line is shakey.

Nutjobs are fooling muslim men and women into a life of murder and hate, often on shia muslim people, so can internal muslim conflict be a western blame game?

Many muslim nationals wanted Saddam, Gadaffi and the taliban off their backs, then the arab spring for democracy was hijacked by extremists.....an arab spring sparked by food protests, in part.Citizens wanted dodgy arab dictators removed, so the west is only a piece in a complex jig-saw.

Those pushing radical political islamism are a menace to us all.
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blue, I have alwways been happy to discuss and respond to you but your post history and comments from others would suggest you are obsessed a bit too much

I would also say that the narrative you present is not accurate. The roots of oppression and hatred go back a long way and not just since 1992

Think about it this way, studies show that the impact of black slavery is apparent in black youth born today, point being sometimes you have to go back that far to see what the issues actually are

lets take barelwi and deobandi schools of ISlam, Both named after areas in India both started in India one after the other. Both had heavy involvement with the british raaj. 1 being supportive 1 being against.

Now your above post would suggest that the deo barelwi conflict in Britain would be something you A) wouldnt know about or B) you wouldnt link to the west/brits. But it is intrinsically linked because teh conflict didnt start recently its been there for decades

TBH i feel sorry to a degree for people in the UK, and i dont just mean white on muslim, but ALL including those like myself whose parents migrated here years ago, reason being they just know what is in front of them from the BBC etc when in actuality its often more complicated

By The way this isnt a ''go'' at you

Redd foxx

I am political and interested in religion and current affairs, so may well be obsessed............plus as I no longer drink and have a seven yr old daughter, I am at home way more than years ago, so I post more often.

As you say, we only know certain aspects of events, and the victor or strong often use revisionist writing to make themselves sound better.
For example, the Indian history you just alluded to was not on my radar until this minute, and in fairness, there is only so much we can take in in one lifetime.Even if we obsess, lol.

Some agree with my posts, see them as balanced and seeking to see both sides, whereas, others simply see racist islamophobe.......perhaps they should realize that things are a little more complicated than they think too.

I do not take this a dig, an in fact I welcome any info and views on these subjects, as I am a newbie on matters of islam, for example.

I have always been spiritual, though did not darken a church door for thirty years, and in recent years have got into Christian worship and Zen inspired mindfullness.

Personally, I believe we can respect and learn from each other if we talk, and this is simply one forum to do so.

Not talking can lead to us and them, imo.

I could be and I am often wrong, and my opinion's change, but talking or posting about such matters is a positive thing.

Have a good weekend, Redd Foxx.

Decent posts lads 👍

I have done a thread on vanishing UK hedgehogs, and the lefties just turned it into a tory bash, reddfoxx, lol.

It is ok, as I know the madmen involved.


I am not having a go, but guys such as Kung Fu, Mudd, SAF are all over the same threads that I go to, and we often get on, so it is not always a bad thing to "obsess".

Sorry, by lefties, I mean a bunch of boys on the Scottish board, who are sound as a pound, even a scouse pound.

They know me, lol

Haha

Bluebells I agree with what you said except for two parts.

There is also a lot of misinformation on another of your points.

"It is no longer enough to just say it was the west what started it, if it ever was justification."

I never said it was justification, there is never justification for taking a life unless that person is trying to take your life.

There are reasons why things happen the though and the cause of terrorism is usually born out of oppression. This doesn't mean that people can go rampaging around the world killing people it means that nations like ours should stop interfering with the politics of other nations.

Our governments have been relentlessly and aggressively interfering with the middle-east for around 100 years.
Britain in fact created the middle-east by drawing those ridiculous borders.

You should read Bin Ladens letter to the west, he blames is cruel acts on western foreign policy.
9/11 wouldn't have happened if Bin Laden was a sane decent individual, it also wouldn't have happened if america didn't arm him to the teeth and then exploit Arab nations for decades.

The ideology of these people is fed by our governments actions.

I'm not taking away responsibility from killers, as a Muslim I believe that every individual is judged on there own actions without any intercession from anybody else.

What I am trying to do is point to the reason why, what used to be a relatively peaceful part of the world has turned into a hell hole.

Britain wouldn't survive with that constant interference, no nation would.

"I would suggest african islamism is not our fault in any form"

That's not the way it works.

The reason why Daesh gain recruits from all over the world in peaceful nations is because disillusioned Muslims see there brothers and sisters in religion getting massacred and want to do something about it.

The same way our government is willing to blow up infrastructure and civilians in Syria because of the attacks in Paris.

"Many muslim nationals wanted Saddam, Gadaffi and the taliban off their backs"

All given power because western governments either armed them, helped them become rulers through force or are successors to past dictators who were deliberately put in power to become puppets (Assads father).

At this point I think it's appropriate to point out that one of the biggest terrorist organisations on this planet is the CIA.

As for the "Arab Spring" do you not find it odd that Muslims in predominately Muslims countries were protesting for western style democracy when Islam teaches that Muslim lands should only be governed by one ruler, a Khalifah?

Kung Fu

Interesting read as ever my friend, and I continue to be a pupil on these matters.

I disagree with some of your emphasis, in that it seems the west is still to blame for it all, always pulling the strings, when throughout history, all nations and people's have sought to gain advantage and influence over others.

It is a small world and politician's and big business will continue to interfere with anything they feel benefits them, so we see China in Africa now.

Empires from Rome, Greece,the Ottoman one, Soviet Russia, Spain and France on tour abroad, and the British and American version's simply reflect man's greed and need for power.

I know that muslim people and states have been oppressed, abused and messed up by outside forces, but as you say, that does not entitle loon's using political islam to oppress, abuse and mess non-muslim's or other muslim's up.

It is complex and as human's we are good and bad, and it would be progress if we saw beyond muslim v west, Christianity v Islam, Jewish Israel v Palestinian, West v Africa/middle east,Arab muslim v African christian etc etc.

To be continued Kung Fu, and I will try to see through any misinformation out there, as I am certain I am being lied to by "the man".

Take care Kung Fu.