bomb hoax

SAF

I don't know why you keep going on about 'forensic style searches'?
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Well 150,000 eyes are going to spot a lot more things than some members of staff unless you expect them to do a very intensive search.

People keep acting as if it was found by a member of the public it must have been in pretty much plain sight.

What the hell would be the point in putting it in plain sight, it would make the training exercise of finding them far too easy, apparently it was strapped to a pipe on a toilet (what I've heard) rather than just sitting out in the open.

It'd be a bit pointless to do so.

If you think stadiums are searched that intensively by trained officers before people are let in then your living a bit of a fantasy, that is just unrealistic.

United have done the right thing and will be refunding fans and allowing them to watch the game free on Tuesday. At a cost of 3 mil!

I hope that security firm has indemnity insurance as they will need it soon

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comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
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Much like bloodred I am not 100% on pre game procedures but I doubt there is a forensic style sweep with trained officers going on, nor do I think there is expected to be.

I would imagine the idea behind hiding these devices is so they would not be picked up by a regular pre match sweep but require a bit of work to find.
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it was supposedly taped to the back of a toilet cubicle door so not exactly hidden.
club didnt think to check these were removed as part of the bomb exercise and then didnt check properly before letting the crowd in.
They did brilliantly getting people out calmly but there a big failings there
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So United are responsible because they didn't ask the security company if they left any fake bombs around the stadium?

I feel that's like being responsible for getting poisoned because you failed to ask the chef if he left any poison in there.
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If you're the owner of the restaurant and a customer gets poisoned then the owner is responsible rather than the chef. To use your own analogy.

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I guess the owner would be the company, still don't see how the customer can be blamed for failing to ask if they left any poison in there...
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Utd are not the customer! You're the owner - you paid a third party to performance a service to the best of their ability (aka the chef). The customer are the poor sods that walk through your turnstiles who got 'poisoned'.

SAF

150,000 people. Have they doubled the capacity at Old Trafford.

It was actually a member of staff that found it;

"A Greater Manchester Police (GMP) statement read: "Shortly before today's planned football fixture, staff from the Manchester United ground alerted police to a suspicious item that had been found in the toilets within the North West Quadrant, between the Sir Alex Ferguson stand and the Stretford End".

My point is they're meant to search before. If the did the failed. It's not as if a terrorist is going to leave a device somewhere easy to find is it?

You don't agree that not only the actions of the outside security firm needs looking into but the internal security at Old Trafford needs reviewing also?

I'm not so sure that there were zero man Utd officials / staff involved in the training exercise.

Who signed off on it? Someone must have signed it to say yup, jobs a good one, you can go.

SAF said 150,000 eyes (two per person)

Anyway it was a Man Utd official that found it. There should have been a plan to show where these guys were going to put them.

£3m! That's the Glazers dividend from the next quarter gone. No way they're going to sack LVG, they can't afford to miss out on their dividends!

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posted 9 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
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comment by Emre Can really is that good! (U9282)
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comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 25 minutes ago
Much like bloodred I am not 100% on pre game procedures but I doubt there is a forensic style sweep with trained officers going on, nor do I think there is expected to be.

I would imagine the idea behind hiding these devices is so they would not be picked up by a regular pre match sweep but require a bit of work to find.
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it was supposedly taped to the back of a toilet cubicle door so not exactly hidden.
club didnt think to check these were removed as part of the bomb exercise and then didnt check properly before letting the crowd in.
They did brilliantly getting people out calmly but there a big failings there
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So United are responsible because they didn't ask the security company if they left any fake bombs around the stadium?

I feel that's like being responsible for getting poisoned because you failed to ask the chef if he left any poison in there.
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If you're the owner of the restaurant and a customer gets poisoned then the owner is responsible rather than the chef. To use your own analogy.

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I guess the owner would be the company, still don't see how the customer can be blamed for failing to ask if they left any poison in there...
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Utd are not the customer! You're the owner - you paid a third party to performance a service to the best of their ability (aka the chef). The customer are the poor sods that walk through your turnstiles who got 'poisoned'.
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Actually the chef is the person who left the bomb there, the owner is his boss, the guy who owns the company we pay, we are the customer, the ones who pay.

My point is they're meant to search before. If the did the failed. It's not as if a terrorist is going to leave a device somewhere easy to find is it?

You don't agree that not only the actions of the outside security firm needs looking into but the internal security at Old Trafford needs reviewing also?
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TBH it depends on something neither us now for sure right now, how well hidden it was.

If it was well hidden enough then you can't expect the staff to find it on a normal search, the kind of search required to find something very well hidden before every match would just be ridiculous and well in excess of the kind of searches any PL team carries out.

Unfortunately this fiasco has demonstrated to the World how easy this sort of thing could be

A really bizarre thing to happen