People blindly following Mourinho

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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
Yes but that is the same action that dms do every game, they will push the boundaries until they get the yellow card. Absolutely it will make a difference, but it's still 11 v 10, it's not the equivalent of losing a player.
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Not if it happens once. but if he commits 3 bookable offences before getting a yellow then as far as I am concerned he should have seen red.

Your argument seems to be "yeah but he got away with it and wouldn't have made any more fouls if he had got booked".

Firstly, he might have - you don't know that.

Secondly, being allowed to continue fouling as he pleased was a clear benefit to Everton and a disadvantage to United.

Thirdly, it is only your opinion that Barry would have stopped fouling if he got booked. You don't know that either, you are just making an assumption.

If Barry was booked for his first foul, how do you know he would not still have committed the handball a few minutes later? You can't say that he wouldn't have...

All we know for certain is that Barry should have picked up at least 3 yellow cards. The rest is just your speculation.

* I meant to say Firstly, he might have fouled by accident but that came out wrong!

It's a patently obvious assumption though that every midfielder does in every game. It still does not in any way balance out.

And yours is speculative, that is my whole point. You could say that Everton benefitted from the referees leniency absolutely, Barry should have been sent off is wrong though as it's based on a course of events that were far less likely to happen.

Melton,

If Barry had been booked for his first reckless challenge then Rojo would probably not have made his challenge two minutes later.

You can apply your speculation either way - so yes they do cancel out imo.

We see this all the time in football...one player gets away with a bad tackle and so an opposition player makes an equally bad - or worse - tackle a couple minutes later.

If Barry getting booked is likely to have changed his behaviour - then it would likely have changed Rojo's behaviour too.

You can't have it both ways. You have to apply your reasoning to every incident.

The Rojo challenge did not happen in a vacuum. It was related to the Barry challenge which preceded it.

Fair enough, lets agree to disagree. I don't believe as Rojo wasn't part of it but I take the point.

Fair enough.

Even the commentators said at the time that Rojo would have seen red had the ref not been so lenient to Barry.

Also, the commentators pointed out that Barry would have got away without a booking for a third time had Jones not gone up to the ref to "remind" him that it was Barry's third bookable offence. Otherwise Barry would have got away with it all afternoon...

IMO the ref sets the precedent of what he will and wont accept. Players then respond to that. And that's what Rojo did, consciously or otherwise.

I was unsure...

Rojo can be a bit reckless so it wouldn't be out of the question for him to have done that anyway but Barry not getting a yellow card would have made it more likely IMO.

I was originally annoyed at Barry not seeing yellow but I was slightly relieved when Rojo then made his tackle, it was a shocking tackle though I can't imagine I would have had too many complaints if he had seen red even after the Barry incident.

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