In hindsight, I think everybody would agree they're glad about their sackings because we've hit the jackpot really with Pochettino
However, looking at it objectively, did either of these two deserve the sack? Or did one and not the other?
In 2011-12 under Redknapp we finished 4th, and we all know why that wasn't enough for CL. So Redknapp had to achieve a top 3 finish with the 6th richest club in the country, in order to keep his job. Does that seem fair?
I suppose the argument would be whether you think the squad was performing on par in 3rd place until that dreaded 5-2 loss against Arsenal, after which we managed one win in eight games in the league, or whether we were overachieving before the collapse?
We had some world class players in Bale and Modric, of course, and some top class ones in VDV and Adebayor, but the rest were hardly stellar. He even had Younes Kaboul in the best form of his career
So was the sacking justified because of the collapse/England saga, or were our targets too harsh?
In AVB's first season he did well enough, securing our highest points tally. There was some grumblings about our over-reliance on Bale - who would obviously end up leaving in the summer - and Arsenal snatching 4th again, but most were willing to give him time
In the summer we obviously brought in the fantastic 7, of whom Eriksen was the only outright success in the first season, and the failure of most of these players contributed massively to his downfall
By the time he got sacked, I believe, we had won all six of our Europa group games, and sat in 7th position in the league, although it was still relatively early in the season
The fans were bored with his style of play, though, and heavy defeats to West Ham, City and Liverpool lead to his dismissal. Was this fair, seeing as we had so many new players who had to acclimatise to the league? We weren't gonna get top 4 anyway, so should he have been given a chance to settle them in before going again next season?
Thoughts?
Redknapp/AVB - Undeserved sackings?
posted on 13/3/17
Or decked him
posted on 13/3/17
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posted on 13/3/17
I said deck him, not eat him
posted on 13/3/17
I wouldn't have trusted Harry to make the right decisions on and off the pitch as we looked to enter a new era with our new stadium. He was the perfect catalyst for a revival post Ramos but as others have said, with the players at his disposal he may have under-achieved over his 4 year stay.
AVB was never trusted to sign the players he wanted (moutinho, willian) and was essentially given players to manage - and most of those were duds. He shored up our tactical approach - something which wound me up with Redknapp no end, and as a result we became somewhat turgid to watch but the results on paper were mostly good. A lot of spurs fans couldn't accept this as they demand a certain brand of football, but given the fact AVB is basically Mourinho's apprentice, i was prepared to accept a certain brand of football so long as it delivered the points.
Sherwood was always going to be a transitional appointment unless he took to it like a duck to water. He was way out of his depth but did a decent short term patch up job. No way i wanted him in charge the following season - he had no tactics as far as i could see.
With the benefit of hindsight it's a case of good riddance to all of the above. Levy has played the hire and fire game pretty well on reflection i'd say. All while plotting in the background a new future for the club - i do think he is this clubs biggest asset tbh
posted on 14/3/17
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 13 hours, 32 minutes ago
If you include ALL matches as manager, then Poch's stats are much better than Sherwood's.
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurManagersRecords1898-2009.html
Poch has been in charge for 151 games, winning 78, drawing 38 and losing 35 giving him a win % of 64.24.
Sherwood was in charge for 28 games, winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 10, giving him a win % of 57.14.
Harry had 198 games, winning 98, drawing 50 and losing 50. Giving him a win % of 62.12
Surprisingly the best stats belong to AVB, 80 games, 44 wins, 20 draws and 16 losses, giving him a win % of 67.50.
Martin Jol had a 57.72% win rate from 149 games.
These are figures covering all games in charge at Spurs.
So can we please dispel this myth that Sherwood's record is the best of the modern day managers at Spurs.
If he had been in charge for say 100 games, I can guarantee his win rate would have been much lower. His managerial exploits since have endorsed that view too.
He is currently at Swindon as Director of Football. During the FA Cup match versus Eastleigh, he came down from the stand and sat in the dug out, and then started to shout instructions from the touchline to the Swindon players
If I had been the Swindon manager I would have grabbed him and pushed him down the tunnel!
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Premier League is the bread and butter Greaves. As it stands Sherwood has the best points per game of any coach.
Nobody is saying he was our best coach, but that fact is there until Poch inevitably overtakes him . As AVB's points record is still there
Incidentally.....
Overall win records will be padded out with the many easy Europa qualifying and group games we have virtually every season. Sherwood only managed to get Dnipro (finalists the next year) and the eventual winners Benfica. Eventual FA cup winners Arsenal away. Oh, and West Ham
posted on 14/3/17
Poch has been in charge for 151 games, winning 78, drawing 38 and losing 35 giving him a win % of 64.24.
Sherwood was in charge for 28 games, winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 10, giving him a win % of 57.14.
Harry had 198 games, winning 98, drawing 50 and losing 50. Giving him a win % of 62.12
Surprisingly the best stats belong to AVB, 80 games, 44 wins, 20 draws and 16 losses, giving him a win % of 67.50.
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Those overall win percentages are wrong too
You don't need to be a mathematician to see Sherwood winning 14 of 28 is 50%, not 57.14%
AVB is 55%
Poch 51.65%
Harry 49.49%
posted on 14/3/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
Poch has been in charge for 151 games, winning 78, drawing 38 and losing 35 giving him a win % of 64.24.
Sherwood was in charge for 28 games, winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 10, giving him a win % of 57.14.
Harry had 198 games, winning 98, drawing 50 and losing 50. Giving him a win % of 62.12
Surprisingly the best stats belong to AVB, 80 games, 44 wins, 20 draws and 16 losses, giving him a win % of 67.50.
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Those overall win percentages are wrong too
You don't need to be a mathematician to see Sherwood winning 14 of 28 is 50%, not 57.14%
AVB is 55%
Poch 51.65%
Harry 49.49%
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posted on 14/3/17
Just clicked on the link, pretty sure 'overall record' is percentage of games not lost.
Pretty sure 'win %' is.... percentage of games won? Whoever posted those stats on here has had a shocker
posted on 14/3/17
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just clicked on the link, pretty sure 'overall record' is percentage of games not lost.
Pretty sure 'win %' is.... percentage of games won? Whoever posted those stats on here has had a shocker
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Just looked at the link myself....the win % is innthe column next to it
posted on 15/3/17
The overall figure includes drawn games as well. You are correct stating his win record was 50%