A lot is being said about Jose selection knowing right from the beginning of the season if we struggle to get top 4 our backup plan would be to go all out for Europa league. From early on the season that is easily minimum 50 games including league and all cup competitions.
Now we hear this every time whenever a new manager takes control of the club he has his own vision of how to handle a club and take it forward. After SAF retirement the job was given to Moyes what's the first mistake he makes he gets rid of all the experience staff and never stamping his authority showing the players whose the boss. Moyes had small club mentality expected man utd to aspire like city.
Along came LVG after moyes sacking, this guy was too too tactical. You think arsenal try to walk the ball in, this guy is on a different level, probably spends time and analyse how he will have s3x. He wouldn't let you take a shot if the opportunity came in case we lose possession. The one think which peeved me off the most was getting rid of Hernandez and welbeck. I can't remember if it was lvg 1st or 2nd second where we were hit badly with injuries.
Moving onto Jose having assessed his squad in the summer and knowing 2 possible scenarios before the ball was kicked. Getting rid of a lot of midfielders has really backfired us. Having injuries to defenders, we could change the formation and play different style but having loads of midfielders is important it's the area where battles are won but getting rid of 2 CM and a wide player whether there are playing or not could have kept our main players fresh.
So there we have it 3 managers and all 3 of them got rid of staff//players which have backfired them. Moyes lack of experience, LVG shortage of goals and Mourinho relying on old legs
Moyes, LVG and Mourinho
posted on 2/5/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Cesc + Costa - Antonio Conte, the King. (U21341)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
I like how people criticise Mourinho for playing bad players like Fellaini and Rooney but then criticise Mourinho also for getting rid of bad players like Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin.
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Don't be an idiot. Both Bastian and Morgan are better players than Fellaini and Rooney despite never being given half the chances that Felly and Roo were given.
On top of which, Jose is now complaining about fatigue on account of the fact that he needs more players. The poor diddums.
I am thoroughly fed up of Jose making excuses and his fanboys bending over backwards (and forwards) to make excuses for him - excuses that don't apply to any other team or manager...only Jose!!!
He can still rescue this season, and I sincerely hope he does, but don't pretend he isn't doing badly at the moment just because you love the guy.
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My point is people say mourinho shouldn't play Fellaini and Rooney because they're shiiit but then complain the squad is too small? If the issue is Rooney and Fellaini ain't good enough even still, then neither were schweinsteiger or schneiderlin. I bet it was easier to get rid of them than it would be Fellaini and Rooney too.
posted on 2/5/17
DM - Carrick, Fellaini, TFM, Herrera*
B2B - Herrera, Pogba, Fellaini, TFM
ACM - Mata, Lingard, Mhki, Pogba
e.g.
Carrick
Herrera Lingard
Fellaini
Poga Mata
Is that clearer? With the players we have we have options in all 3 central positions without needing Morgan or Bastian as well, 2 players that have done very little for the club anyway.
posted on 2/5/17
My point is people say mourinho shouldn't play Fellaini and Rooney because they're shiiit but then complain the squad is too small? If the issue is Rooney and Fellaini ain't good enough even still, then neither were schweinsteiger or schneiderlin. I bet it was easier to get rid of them than it would be Fellaini and Rooney too.
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You are missing the point. You can't get rid of three players, who are as good or better than the ones you kept, and then complain about fatigue!
"The 3 positions are different, in the same way I wouldn't expect Lingard to play as a deep CM, I wouldn't expect Carrick to play as the furthest forward CM."
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My point exactly. When we are talking about losing Bastian and Morgan, those three attacking players are irrelevant. Glad you agree!
posted on 2/5/17
LVG was in the first season. Cannot believe he got rid of chico and welbeck, maybe Nani too.
Jose has come out in many press confereneces and said he didnt want them to leave but they requested due to lack of game time.
posted on 2/5/17
Redmisty
It's not irrelevant to the options needed in the 3 central areas though which was my point. And even if we do remove those 3 we still have 5 players to fill 2 roles not including Blind. For a manager who historically likes small squads I can see why he got rid of both.
posted on 2/5/17
For a manager who historically likes small squads I can see why he got rid of both.
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That's fine but he can't insist on a small squad and then moan about fatigue!
"Jose has come out in many press confereneces and said he didnt want them to leave but they requested due to lack of game time."
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Which would have been avoided if he gave them more game time...e.g. in the cup competitions. It was Jose's decision not to use his squad. Jose also said he was happy with his squad back in the summer. He even talked about challenging for the league title!
If he wanted those players to stay at United then why did he never pick them to play?
posted on 2/5/17
"If he wanted those players to stay at United then why did he never pick them to play?"
Maybe because neither of them were ever that good for us under Jose or LVG.
Also regarding fatigue, why can't he talk about it? Managers will always make excuses for varying reasons, to deflect attention or whatever. Ferguson complained about stuff all the time.
posted on 2/5/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 43 minutes ago
"If he wanted those players to stay at United then why did he never pick them to play?"
Maybe because neither of them were ever that good for us under Jose or LVG.
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Then why did he want to keep them?
posted on 2/5/17
Dunno, he didn't really seem to want to play either much. It's only really Pogba in midfield who should have arguably played a little less but even then when you look at how many games he's played in recent seasons it's not that different.
Some injuries can be down to the way a manager chooses to train, others are simply bad luck. In that respect you have to make a call on how many players you want in your squad. Jose historically has had small squads as well as a very few injuries and I guess that plays a huge part in him deciding his sqaud size. Injuries such as ligament damage to Zaltan and Rojo and a dislocated arm for TFM in recent weeks are down to pure bad luck.
posted on 3/5/17
I don't disagree, 82. My original point was in response to the poster who said that Jose didn't want to sell those players and that his hand was forced because they wanted to leave.
I disagree with that because Jose never gave any of those players a sniff. I.e. he sold them willingly imo. As you say, it was his decision to work with a smaller squad - it was not a decision that was forced upon him as that poster stated.