So the Fail published this article which is actually quite interesting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4712454/Man-United-academy-leads-way-Premier-League.html
It measured the minutes played by academy graduates in the premier league (note the player didn't have to play for the same clubs senior team as their academy)
Man Utd topped the charts with 45,000 minutes, next was Tottenham at 19k
Makes an interesting stat when we consider how much our academy needed overhauling. Admittedly a significant portion of the contribution was from players like josh king, Michael Keane, tom Heaton etc
Does demonstrate that being in our academy will set you up to play at the top level even if you don't make the grade at UTD.
Meanwhile Genks academy contributed more than Liverpools....
Biggest academy contribution to the PL
posted on 20/7/17
comment by enlightened hippo - i got mou babe (U1301)
posted 2 minutes ago
the logical conclusion might be that we should think about having no academy at all. we just build decent players to strengthen the rest of the teams.
every three or four years we get a rashford, is that worth us strenghtening our direct rivals consistently?
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Leaving Pogba out there's Rashford, Lingard, TFM, Tuanzebe and Pereira.
Go out and buy those players on the open market and you're likely in for close to £100m.
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comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 21 minutes ago
And they all went on to be a hit elsewhere.
Not for the first team
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Eh? West Ham are a selling club. That doesn't alter the fact they have a good academy.
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comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
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How many graduates have made the first team. That's the measure of an academy.
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So how do you measure a team's academy against other team's academies? There are only a handful of teams in England where the standards required to make the first team are comparable. Players that aren't quite good enough for United become rugalars for instance at West Brom, where they will be playing alongside West Brom youth products. The truth is the PL is and has always been littered with United youth products. Our academy is very productive but it takes a high level to even make it as a squad player at united.
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Who is Uniteds record goal scorer.....he wasn't from the United academy.
I see lots of previous Everton academy graduates over the years moving on. But what counts is how they contribute to the first team.
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Of course the ultimate goal of any academy is to produce players that are good enough for the first team. But that isn't going to happen as often at a team like United where the standards are higher. I'd hazard a guess that we are in the top 3 in terms of youth products plying their trade in the PL. Who in the PL has a more productive academy than united in the last 30 years? West Ham is say. Who else?
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West Ham??
Name em
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Carrick
Cole
Defoe
Ferdinand
Lampard
Johnson
Terry
Ince
Noble
Probably more if I rack my brains.
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The main goal is an additional revenue stream more than making players for the first team. The latter will happen from time to time, but particularly nowadays at the top of the game, it's unlikely that a player straight out of an academy is good enough to go directly into the first team and stay there.
Look at Barca now, even they are struggling with doing that.
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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
How many graduates have made the first team. That's the measure of an academy.
Not to see how much other manager trust and then develop.
Now United are not top of this adapted table
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Making the first team at Utd is a lot harder than making the first team at Everton
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It's not just everton though. It's all about what the academy brings to the first team.
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It's not just everton though. It's all about what the academy brings to the first team.
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Not much to Everton's that is for sure.
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comment by enlightened hippo - i got mou babe (U1301)
posted 39 minutes ago
Go out and buy those players on the open market and you're likely in for close to £100m.
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so? pay the money. it's about winning matches, not saving money.
apart from that it's a bad example, because none of these players would have been bought to play for united if they had been developed at another club.
at the end of the day it's an emotional thing, it's part of the duty of each club to develop new players and it's nice to see players who were developed at the club but from a purely rational point of view there might be an argument for not having an academy at all.
real madrid might be a better example to make this argument, they are the most succesful club, how many players have they brought through to the first team? very few. they just buy the best from other teams and this works better than what all other teams do.
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If we were buying players of the requisite calibre to fill out the first team squad like those listed above and weren't recouping fees from the sale of the likes of Januzaj, Love, McNair, Keane, Goss (close to £20m for those few over the last 12 months alone), then we wouldn't have nearly as much money to go and splash on key players.
Look at Jonny Evans. An Academy product who delivered years of service and then raked in £8m. Danny Welbeck brought in £16m. Michael Keane a further £3m. De Laet, Matty James, Josh King and Brady brought in over £6m one summer.
The Academy is massively profitable.
Plus it's a massive part of the club's philosophy and heritage by the way.
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Since Ryan Giggs came through our academy has produced 50 players that went on to play at international level. That's is almost 2 players a year. Not bad when you look at it like that.
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This thing the media ran with last season about our academy lagging behind City because their U9's (or whoever) beat us 6-0 was infuriating, it's like someone comes out with an opinion and they all run with it without doing their own research.
At the time, our U23's, the last stop on the academy line, were top of the league, and we had the best young footballer in Manchester starting games and scoring goals for us, plus Lingard...
I also pointed out the amount of PL quality players we have produced who have gone on to have stayed in the top play in the top division, Welbeck, Evans, Drinkwater, King etc, the success of an academy isn't just about producing the next George Best or Ryan Giggs.