Leeds Utd supporting genocide?

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 10 minutes ago
The UN are idiots. bet you wouldnt have a problem with them going to america?
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I'm no fan of American imperialism or especially of the Trump presidency but the US is not at present carrying out genocidal purges that are killing large numbers of families, burning villages and driving hundreds of thousands of people from their land. If you consider the UN 'idiots', here's a couple of other sources who have more first-hand expertise on the subject than Stretty, profoundly esteemed though he is on this forum:

- At least 6700 Rohingya, including at least 730 children under the age of five, were killed in the month after the Burmese military action against the Rohingyas broke out, according to Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF).

- The Myanmar military has raped and abused Rohingya women and girls on a large scale, according to Amnesty International.

Ignorance isn't a terrible vice in itself, but this sort of proud and lazy ignorance when there is plenty of information at everyone's fingertips is worthy of contempt.
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And how many people have the american military killed in the last few years? Innocent one's at that.

I'll ask again, would anyone have an issue with going over there?


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So you're okay with going to the USA. It's okay going to Myanmar, a country whose government is currently engaged in genocide, because - what? - nowhere is perfect? Do you draw the line anywhere? How about a promotional tour in Hitler's Germany during the height of the Holocaust? I mean, it would be hypocritical doing business with the USA, which has been involved in very questionable military adventures and then raise moral objections to the systematic elimination of a minority, wouldn't it?

RR

Stretty isn't going to understand that.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
RR

Stretty isn't going to understand that.
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comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Life is short. Make the most of it. (U9094)
posted 53 minutes ago
Stretty
Would you have a problem with us going to the USA?
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No.



doesnt mean they are not a country run by toerags who have killed innocent people sice the beginning of time.


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The native Americans?

Going to play football in a country doesn't mean you endorse the political actions of said countries government

comment by Lubo - Feed The Sogg and He Will Score (U14008)
posted 57 minutes ago
Going to play football in a country doesn't mean you endorse the political actions of said countries government
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Why let genocide get in the way of making a bit of money, eh?

Incidentally, the money men on the Myanmar side of the deal are apparently closely connected to the regime presiding over the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingyas, a piece of information it's hard to miss if you have the modicum of curiosity about this issue that it would take to read a news report on the story. This is unsurprising, as in corrupt, authoritarian regimes businesses can only really prosper by cosying up to the state and becoming complicit in its abuses.

But why would you apply ethics to a simple money-making trip into a genocide zone?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Feed The Sogg and He Will Score (U14008)
posted 57 minutes ago
Going to play football in a country doesn't mean you endorse the political actions of said countries government
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Why let genocide get in the way of making a bit of money, eh?

Incidentally, the money men on the Myanmar side of the deal are apparently closely connected to the regime presiding over the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingyas, a piece of information it's hard to miss if you have the modicum of curiosity about this issue that it would take to read a news report on the story. This is unsurprising, as in corrupt, authoritarian regimes businesses can only really prosper by cosying up to the state and becoming complicit in its abuses.

But why would you apply ethics to a simple money-making trip into a genocide zone?
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Its essentially a bonding trip for our players to a part of a world that is struggling. The players and staff will also be running sessions for the people of Burma. The ones who aren't committing genocide but are just regular people living their lives in the wrong place.

This is no worse than being owned by a Middle Eastern oil family, or clubs with connections to Chinese companies and investors. Plenty of human right violations from many other countries associated with other clubs.

Not that is a justification. The club could have dealt with this better in the way it was announced, but them visiting a country that has major problems doesn't mean they are condoning those problems happening. Just like when Manchester United have visited America in the past it hasn't been a signal of their support for the murder of people in the Middle East.

Never understood how USA is responsible for the deaths of people in the middle East but the UK isn't

Lubo

So every country is morally compromised and you don't draw the line at genocide?

The point is not that Myanmar has problems. The point is that the regime is currently COMMITTING CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and some people are trying to get the outside to put up a united front to pressurise the regime to let the Rohingya people live in peace. The point is that Leeds will be doing business with interests close to the regime. They won't be helping the Rohingya people. If that sits fine with you, end of conversation.

If we follow the logic of some people here, we should have no problem with people or countries committing murder, genocide or terrorism.