Southgate Added To the Mix

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
Red Russian - good question, which i’ll try to do justice whilst awkwardly using my phone!

Firstly everything in about to say works on the caveat that the correct footballing structures are put in place, eg DoF, recruitment that fits the playing style and ethos and is integrated with the youth & reserve set ups.

I don’t think we - or indeed many teams now - require the traditional high profile manager to be successful. Many players have spoken about how managers are now coaches and help to improve players. What we see with Klopp, Pep, Poch and indeed Southgate now are managers that the players like playing for. They try to improve and coach players and develop them. What we’ve seen with Mourinho is pretty much what we feared: a manager that likes ready-made talent and that probably hasn’t adapted his own style and personality to the modern day young player.

So first of all I think we need a manager that can simply develop players individually. Being a likeable coach that the players enjoy learning from is also more of an important quality than maybe it used to be. LvG is an interesting example. For his faults, developing young players and losing the dressing room were not one of them.

The reality is we have the budget and infrastructure to compete for the best players. So what we really need is a manager who can simply get the weapons at his disposal firing to their best. We’ve all noted that our passive containment tactics under Mourinho were at odds with the players that we have; we’ve players suited to a more high tempo, pressing and attacking style. It’s not rocket science to get your players playing to their best attributes, as OGS is showing.

So someone with a track record to some degree of actually being able to recognise what is at their disposal and working with it.

Next, I think a younger, hungry manager who wants to build something is important. Mourinho has looked jaded for years. LvG past his best. Fresh ideas, or at least a fresh face to more traditiona ideas is needed.

Finally, I feel we need to look at the way In which teams like Barca, and more recently and occasionally, Madrid & Bayern have brought managers through rather than brought them in externally, as a model for ourselves.

Zidane hadn’t any experience outside the Madrid reserves. Barca brought through a few managers internally. Solskjaer coaches the reserves for us, understand the ethos of the club and is respected by the fans and players. Had Solskjaer been a Barca players and coaches their B team, he’d likely have been given a shot like Pep was.

My point that football is all about perfect storms and conditions. Zidane or Peo likely would have fared no better at Cardiff than Ole did, and probably no better at Molde than Ole has, either.

But given a talented squad with good infrastructure, Zidane & Pep establishes themselves as top managers. I feel Poch, and maybe Ole and even Southgate could be of that mould. They’ve done their time with youth teams (United reserves, England U21s), they’ve had sharp learning experiences (Cardiff, Middlesbrough), and they’ve also shown an ability to improve teams and players when given the conditions to do so (England, Molde).

The modern players needs an arm round the shoulder from a modern manager who understands this. So I’d be looking at these sorts of characters before looking at their tactical acumen. Combine the right character with a winnin mentality & tactical nous and I think that’s most of the battle won.

Again, if we go down this route: younger, less “proven” managers but tick key boxes, it has been be accompanied by a footballing infrastructure that ensues continuity of style, ethos & youth development, as well as largely de-burdens the manager of recruitment (obviosuly with the managers input!).

There’s more I could say but this is long enough!
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Good points BerbaKings11

Footballers (millennials) have changed and managers must adapt !

Here are few examples of old school managers ...

Wenger always relied on players to solve on-field problems on their own.

Ancelotti was kicked out of Bayern because players wanted more, not less, training.

Mourinho fell out with United’s Pogba for much the same reason that he soured on Hazard back at Chelsea and the players down at Real Madrid. He used older mentality to sort problems with his players that those players are no longer seeing eye to eye with his older methods...Finally he alienated most of the squad and equally the fans.

Ole is showing us a new 'methodology' being used with the 'millennials' footballers and it is definitely working

Unlike Mourinho who could not adapt, OGS understands the modern game.

15 years ago when managing Chelsea, Mourinho’s defensive tactics revolutionized and his results charmed the football game. Most clubs wanted to build their teams the same way. But that was 15 years ago, the game has since revolved and changed as it always does.

Today, the better teams are the ones with the agenda that push forward and attack, even if that means leaving their defense slightly exposed. Last season, City won the Premier League with 100 points while Liverpool and Real Madrid reached the CL final. All 3 teams had questionable defense, but they defended so high up the field that it rarely mattered.

If you can’t defend then the best defense is to have the best offense and just score more than your opponents.

Be honest, who would choose United over Real - Madrid are the biggest and most successful club in the world.

Fergie won 2 CL in 25 years at United, Zidane won 3 in 4 seasons

I think Ole is a fit to United as Southgate was/is to England. Both did their times with the "reserves", know the structure and ethos in place and are highly respected by the players due to being a previous player and a coach a few have played under at the lower levels.

It is why I would love Ole to get the job over Poch and the others mentioned.

Now many might look at Cardiff, but that was a terrible job for whoever came in. Klopp, was relegated before. So was Wenger. Relegation needs to be looked at where that club were. It's the same for Neville's time at Valencia. The coaches before and after him struggled. They fixed up a bit and then started struggling again.

Just looking at something one off won't work. I was, admittedly, wrong about Southgate. It wasn't that he was the best coach or manager. But he was the best man overall for the job. What we want and what we need aren't always the same thing.

I think Ole is the right man for us, regardless of results against Tottenham and PSG that are coming up.

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mirror also saying simeone is being sounded out


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He won't set you up to play swashbuckling attacking football

Thanks for your answer Berbaking. Pretty persuasive

comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 8 hours, 4 minutes ago
Be honest, who would choose United over Real - Madrid are the biggest and most successful club in the world.

Fergie won 2 CL in 25 years at United, Zidane won 3 in 4 seasons
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And you've won less than Portsmouth n Wigan in last quarter of a century.

I'd guarantee Utd would finish ahead of Spurs with no players signed on either side if we just swapped managers you cretin.

My god another one going to Utd !! to be honest I too am now awaiting a phone call for my services. And the annoying thing is you ( mancs ) all keep falling for it. Fact is Manu are not the all singing/dancing team at the top table and have been going backwards steadily since Fergie. They can no longer just pick and choose when they wan't.If they actually poached every manager they are alleged to be going for, they would start next season with bout 4 managers all tripping over each other. Please get real and at least give the current one some time.

Oh yes yes yes please, sign him up

Doing well with England but has been overrated due to:

a) Coming to England when most of the undroppable old guard has retired or gone past their best

b) Getting an easy route to the semi-finals of the World Cup

c) Having a future all-time great England player in Kane in attack

d) Having a keeper who is good at saving pens