Undemocratic

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 24 minutes ago

I disagree that it’s disingenuous. You have to separate the legislation and the question from the shenanigans which followed.

I certainly wouldn’t ask for the vote to be taken agai had we voted remain on the basis that Nick Clegg said the EU army was nothing more than a fantasy.

I don’t expect others to do the same.

Also, as to your point about GEs being every 5 years. There’s nothing stopping a political party from campaigning for a second referendum to rejoin. They can do that any time.
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I guess that's the nub though surely; remain were guessing at what a Brexit would do to our economy and Brexiteers were guessing at what would or wouldn't be possible in regards to a settlement.

We don't know for certain right now but we have a much better idea than 2 and a bit years ago, so why not pose the question again?

Arguably what we're actually getting pleases a tiny minority because it's not the remain that 49% of the population and it's not the Brexit that most of the 51% appeared to expect. So if what we're being delivered isn't what was wanted or voted for, how can it be undemocratic to vote again? Or to look at it a slightly different way, how can it be ethical to proceed?
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Because it’s an orchestrated position.

Alls the government had to do was present a deal so poor that nobody would ratify or accept it.

Then they could simply brush Brexit away as if never happened.

As for not knowing what the future holds. That would be the same with a Corbyn government.
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So you’d deny another vote and get a result that nobody seems to want or votes for because it’s an orchestrated position. Seems a little like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Where would another referendum and a winning 'leave' vote leave us?

Lets face it. The EU Referendum question was too simple. This is because the issue is too complicated for the average man to comprehend.

I think if people were asked to vote now of the content of the deal (assuming we are leaving but just agreeing how we leave) then many of the issues would still be over the head of the average man.

People voted on simple issues, often only on one issue - Migration, sovereignty, making the county "like it was in the old days". Most knew nothing about the N Ireland border and many still do not or don't care.

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"Alls the government had to do was present a deal so poor that nobody would ratify or accept it."

Still in the misguided view that there's a deal out there that would satisy the leave voters' expectations.

Delusional.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 24 minutes ago

I disagree that it’s disingenuous. You have to separate the legislation and the question from the shenanigans which followed.

I certainly wouldn’t ask for the vote to be taken agai had we voted remain on the basis that Nick Clegg said the EU army was nothing more than a fantasy.

I don’t expect others to do the same.

Also, as to your point about GEs being every 5 years. There’s nothing stopping a political party from campaigning for a second referendum to rejoin. They can do that any time.
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I guess that's the nub though surely; remain were guessing at what a Brexit would do to our economy and Brexiteers were guessing at what would or wouldn't be possible in regards to a settlement.

We don't know for certain right now but we have a much better idea than 2 and a bit years ago, so why not pose the question again?

Arguably what we're actually getting pleases a tiny minority because it's not the remain that 49% of the population and it's not the Brexit that most of the 51% appeared to expect. So if what we're being delivered isn't what was wanted or voted for, how can it be undemocratic to vote again? Or to look at it a slightly different way, how can it be ethical to proceed?
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Because it’s an orchestrated position.

Alls the government had to do was present a deal so poor that nobody would ratify or accept it.

Then they could simply brush Brexit away as if never happened.

As for not knowing what the future holds. That would be the same with a Corbyn government.
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So you’d deny another vote and get a result that nobody seems to want or votes for because it’s an orchestrated position. Seems a little like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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No - id do what DevonshireSpur said and go for no deal.

It would result in a deal being struck at the 11th hour. The EU have a track record for it.

"As for not knowing what the future holds. That would be the same with a Corbyn government."

BULLSHEIT.

There's nothing hypothetical about a Corbyn government in terms of how the government is made up, their powers etc.

A ridiculous comparison to Brexit, which had so many hypothetical elements.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
"Alls the government had to do was present a deal so poor that nobody would ratify or accept it."

Still in the misguided view that there's a deal out there that would satisy the leave voters' expectations.

Delusional.
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Maybe for you. I happen to think self governance and an FTA was very feasible.

You’ve been convinced that self governance is a pipe dream. That’s very sad in my opinion.

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comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
"Alls the government had to do was present a deal so poor that nobody would ratify or accept it."

Still in the misguided view that there's a deal out there that would satisy the leave voters' expectations.

Delusional.
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Maybe for you. I happen to think self governance and an FTA was very feasible.

You’ve been convinced that self governance is a pipe dream. That’s very sad in my opinion.
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I've not been convinced of anything.

You're the one convinced of something utterly delusional.

But there's no changing your mind, so I won't waste my time. History will prove you wrong.