"The VAR era"

comment by Tu Meke Mesut (U3732)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
Years from now I see pre VAR and post VAR as being the new barometer for whether a club has won a title under the most modern League format.


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Wouldn't be that dramatic. I'd compare it to something like the introduction of the back pass rule.
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i think the back pass rule changed football more than anything though.

comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Mistakes even out over 38 games.
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It's been proven over and over that this is simply not true. Don't understand why people are still banging this drum.
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Absolute ballhocks. The only way it doesn't even out is if officials are biased for or against certain teams and I'd like to see you prove that.

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Mistakes even out over 38 games.
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It's been proven over and over that this is simply not true. Don't understand why people are still banging this drum.
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Absolute ballhocks. The only way it doesn't even out is if officials are biased for or against certain teams and I'd like to see you prove that.
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What you're saying makes no sense....

No one (very few) is suggesting the refs are biased but clearly wrong decisions do not even themselves out over a season. Perhaps over something like 1000 games things may well level out a fair bit.

However in a 38 game season what you're saying has never been true.

If you ask me the ref needs to feel the pressure and understand the magnitude of their decision not just look at a screen in a private vacuum
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Luckily nobody did ask you. Refs get treated appallingly as it is. It's always players who should be punished, if they didn't cheat the refs job would be a doddle.

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
Years from now I see pre VAR and post VAR as being the new barometer for whether a club has won a title under the most modern League format.


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Wouldn't be that dramatic. I'd compare it to something like the introduction of the back pass rule.
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i think the back pass rule changed football more than anything though.
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Agreed, it's just people don't tend to seperate football history from before and after it was introduced

comment by Tu Meke Mesut (U3732)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
Years from now I see pre VAR and post VAR as being the new barometer for whether a club has won a title under the most modern League format.


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Wouldn't be that dramatic. I'd compare it to something like the introduction of the back pass rule.
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i think the back pass rule changed football more than anything though.
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Agreed, it's just people don't tend to seperate football history from before and after it was introduced
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Funnily enough doesn't it basically coincide with the start of the prem anyway?

The referee is there to make a decision when the players are unsure, that's all. The players know whose throw in it is, if they have fouled, they know the rules. If they played by them the refs have little to do. But they don't, every team has foulers, divers etc:, which the ref is supposed to sort out. Reading match threads is a reading a litany of complaints about the ref from both teams and every game.
Ref ffs
How is that not a penalty
This ref never gives us anything
Red card surely.
It's actually pathetic that so many fans watch the game and think they are not winning because of the ref.
Nearly everything was worse in the 50s except the standards of sportsmanship, there is very little now;

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Mistakes even out over 38 games.
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It's been proven over and over that this is simply not true. Don't understand why people are still banging this drum.
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Absolute ballhocks. The only way it doesn't even out is if officials are biased for or against certain teams and I'd like to see you prove that.
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What you're saying makes no sense....

No one (very few) is suggesting the refs are biased but clearly wrong decisions do not even themselves out over a season. Perhaps over something like 1000 games things may well level out a fair bit.

However in a 38 game season what you're saying has never been true.
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I don't think a sample size of even 1000 is enough to "even things out"

The universe is totally impervious to such notions as fairness and to suggest otherwise is laughable

I don't think it will be. The dawn of the PL was only significant due to a rebrand and an effort to make more money.

VAR is a genuine effort to improve decision making in football, and for all its critics, that's exactly what it's doing. I don't think there will be a pre and post divide, unless it becomes obvious that a team consistently benefitted from or was hurt by not having it to begin with. And for all we complain, I don't think that will be the case

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 45 minutes ago
Things that need to change for the VAR era:

- Clarify the handball rule
- Introduce strict punishment for those who are proven to dive by VAR
- Bookings for anyone waving imaginary yellow or doing the VAR signal
- Stop the clock for VAR checks
- VAR checks to be displayed on the big screen
- Refs. to be given much bigger TV screens to make their pitchside judgement. Seems stupid they're looking at some tiny screen trying to judge stuff.
- Step a clear rule on holding at corners/set pieces
- Use VAR to ensure that Fernandino actually gets booked one of these days, never seen a player commit so many fouls without getting booked. Likewise Salah and his diving!
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Agree with each point apart from the big screen. If fans get to watch the replay while the ref is reviewing it they could attempt to influence his decision
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SO much like when a ref is reffing a game....should the fans just be quiet throughout? in case they influence the refs decision.

If you ask me the ref needs to feel the pressure and understand the magnitude of their decision not just look at a screen in a private vacuum
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Back in 2011, Everton scored a offside goal against us at the Emirates. They showed the offside offense on the big screen when the goal stood, think it was Saha who was offside. The crowd were on the refs back for the whole night. I don’t remember him actually give us any favors that night in return but I’m pretty sure that’s the situation they’d want to try and avoid with VAR