Parliament hijacked by Brexiteers!!

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 day, 19 hours ago
I find it astounding that those who have preached ‘we voted out, it’s democracy’ also say those who voted remain should get over it, as if it’s a football match. The 48% who voted remain still have a say in what happens to our country. Because that’s what happens in a democracy.

Shutting down parliament is the most undemocratic thing I’ve seen in my lifetime. It’s basically denying a day to elected officials who represent all of us, but also speak on behalf of the 48%. It’s saying you didn’t vote in the way we agree with so are not allowed a voice in a contentious debate.
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You could have had a say by accepting the outcome and contributing to getting a better deal instead of spending three years trying to block everything and overturn the result. And now people are talking about the death of democracy when they refused to accept the biggest ever democratic vote

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 day, 19 hours ago
I find it astounding that those who have preached ‘we voted out, it’s democracy’ also say those who voted remain should get over it, as if it’s a football match. The 48% who voted remain still have a say in what happens to our country. Because that’s what happens in a democracy.

Shutting down parliament is the most undemocratic thing I’ve seen in my lifetime. It’s basically denying a day to elected officials who represent all of us, but also speak on behalf of the 48%. It’s saying you didn’t vote in the way we agree with so are not allowed a voice in a contentious debate.
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You could have had a say by accepting the outcome and contributing to getting a better deal instead of spending three years trying to block everything and overturn the result. And now people are talking about the death of democracy when they refused to accept the biggest ever democratic vote
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What better deal are you talking about? Who's getting in the way of this?

Theresa May made sure we get a worse deal by losing her majority, a much more straightforward and cleaner exit could have passed if she still had her majority (plus the fact she was just a poor negotiator.) Also most of the 48% who've tried to obstruct everything and stop brexit has weakened our negotiating position. If we end up with a 2nd referendum or staying in the EU then that will be vindicated, but if we do leave then you've contributed nothing to a deal and if anything made sure we get worse terms.

That is absolute nonsense though. Did you come up with it or was it spoon fed?

Nonsense how? everyone has to live with the outcome now just leavers, and you will have contributed nothing to what that outcome will be.

not just leavers*

You're claiming a worse deal was negotiated because of people not supporting Brexit. It's simply a lie.
A nonsense. A made up fallacy. Whatever you want to call it.

Then you're suggesting May is a negotiator when it goes way beyond her. May's WA was just reality rearing its ugly head after ignorant people were sold rainbows and unicorns.

I'm saying it's one factor that weakened our negotiating position. it's common sense, we're in a negotiation with the EU and half the country is batting for the other side. A unified cross party approach to finding a deal would lead to a better outcome than 48% trying to roadblock and overturn the thing you're trying to negotiate.

May's not a negotiator but she sets the tone and direction, she was too weak and never a leaver. She would have had more flexibility with a proper majority but lost it. And again if parties were willing to work together they would have had a lot more options but Labour and others just rejected everything along party lines so hard to get anything to pass with a tiny majority.

As I have stated in previous posts on other threads, it's not where we are at the moment concerning the EU it's where they are heading, federal government run by Commissioners, and place-men not how I want to be ruled in the future. We have the opportunity to get out now.

Remainers seem happy to become ruled fully by Brussels.

comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 13 minutes ago
As I have stated in previous posts on other threads, it's not where we are at the moment concerning the EU it's where they are heading, federal government run by Commissioners, and place-men not how I want to be ruled in the future. We have the opportunity to get out now.

Remainers seem happy to become ruled fully by Brussels.
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oh dear