...are completely broken.
Only three of our starting players, two of whom were Lindelof and Maguire, completed more than 80% of their passes this weekend. That is downright diabolical, and the worst I ever remember seeing for a Manchester United side in any game.
Our two CMs completed around 70% of their passes combined. Just let what that means for our football sink in a little bit.
Possibly the most frightening thing for me is that McTominay *actually had a decent game*, which says everything about the options he had at his disposal when he received the ball.
To put this in context, despite the fact that we appear to have accepted on here that Leicester were poor, every one of their midfielders and forwards completed more than 80% of their passes, barring Vardy.
Leicester attempted - and completed - more than one hundred more passes than United and had nearly 50% more time in possession of the ball at Old Trafford.
Positioning and movement in the transition
posted on 16/9/19
Ole's used last season in certain games of the 4-3-3/4-3-1-2 showed a certain degree of tactical nous.
I still think he's yet to find the right combination in his current set up, but there's indicators that he's getting there.
Let's just see what happens over a longer period of time and enjoy the ride in the meantime.
posted on 16/9/19
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ole's used last season in certain games of the 4-3-3/4-3-1-2 showed a certain degree of tactical nous.
I still think he's yet to find the right combination in his current set up, but there's indicators that he's getting there.
Let's just see what happens over a longer period of time and enjoy the ride in the meantime.
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But but but.... Franks won a game with a tactical change berba
Ole hasn't yet this season
posted on 16/9/19
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Wolves were terrible against Chelsea, so maybe you can’t look too much into that result either.
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Stop it.... Ole's bad... Everyone else is good
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Who’s saying that?
I just look at Chelsea and see some sort of plan which is coming into fruition - and they still have Kante to come into that side. I just don’t see any sort of plan in regards to what style of football Ole wants to go for.
Doesn’t make Ole bad or anyone else good. Just stating the obvious - what is the plan Ole is working towards? Please tell me if you know other than getting rid of players
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What sort of plan is it you see with Chelsea
What do you think he had in mind when getting dominated by Leicester second half or the pathetic defensive display against us or drawing at home to sheff utd
How closely did you watch the wolves game... Seeing as it was on at the same time as ours? To get such an in depth idea of his football plan you must have been glued to their game
As regards ole... I'm critical of the 4231... Of being short in midfield and not addressing it during the transfer window... I don't blindly follow and make excuses like you do for your chosen messiahs
But I can balance it a little by saying our best players so far this season are his 3 signings (even tho i didn't want Maguire).... Which shows there's hope that he sees what he needs
And I'm happy he's clearing out the squad... Lukaku and sanchez are gone... You championed both so it stings... But the (hopefully... Gradual) move to a younger more dynamic playing staff is the right way to go imo
If we can improve results and league position while refreshing the squad.... And so far this season we have... Thats good enough for me to be patient
You on the other hand... Every person on here knew what you were going to be like this season... And you've let nobody down... You're boringly predictable these days... A poor imitation of the funrobb of old
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So no actual idea of the plan Ole is trying to implement. Attacks on me (you’ll note I’m not attacking you) don’t help your argument.
I just don’t rate Ole. He’s done nothing really to show he’s anything than a transitional manager. Even with the poor second half displays from Chelsea I can see what they’re trying to implement - and I don’t need to watch all 90 mins of their games to understand what that is. I visit many sites to look at tactical breakdowns of games and I think Chelsea fans can get more excited about this season than we can. I’m perfectly happy to be proven wrong. Simple as that.
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So no detail of the actual plan from Frank.... Sweet...
What part of being critical of the 4231 did you miss... I don't like our current tactical approach and have said plenty on here... I'm hoping its due to having an imbalance in the squad... Even then I don't think it suits our current playing staff.. But I'm not going to cry daily over it
As for "attacks on you"... Dry up ffs... If you're going to push your agendas constantly, don't cry victim when you get called out... And plenty have already pointed out how predictable your stance is
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Am I crying victim? Not at all. I’m just putting my point across and with reasoning. You’re attacking me which is amusing as it shows you don’t have anything of note to hit me with other than insults.
I’ve backed up every bit of why I don’t rate Ole and so far a lot of what I’ve said has come to fruition. I take no joy in it. I’d rather have to swallow it up and see a young manager doing well rather than do what Ole is doing which is miles away from what people thought he would do this season.
As for Chelsea Frank is trying to inject energy and urgency into the Chelsea side (which we’re not quite getting at United). Against Wolves he played a back three and brought natural width into the side and gave the likes of Mount and Willian freedom to create for Tammy.
Have you seen any tactical innovations from Ole at all this season?
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So when you're making every argument you have on here personal with vc and uww etc... You're admitting to having nothing of note to say... Cool
Outside of the formation complaint... I think Ole's playing it a little too safe so far this season... Again i don't mind being critical... But are you just erasing the change to split strikers and diamond in midfield that got victories last year.... This season is 5 games old ffs... We're playing in patches during games, some good others sitting dangerously deep imo... But that's because our midfield isn't strong enough to control games... Something i cried on here about all close season (while others insisted cb was our biggest issue)
The seasons 5 games old... Our new signings are doing well... We're in the top 4, improving results if not quite performances... It's not all bad
I've no idea if Ole will "come good"... But i like the approach to rebuilding the squad... And willing to give him time
You always preached about giving a manager a few windows to put his own stamp on the team... Why not give him the same chance, especially when his signings look like being good ones so far
The ole/ed signings comment is a bit snide btw... You won't even give him credit for the things he's done right? But you argue in good faith?
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I’ve filtered VC and Barca we win because they always make it personal rather than debate. I’ve held off filtering you as you do talk actual football and weirdly I think we’d be mates in real life if we ever met as I feel you always slightly have one tongue firmly in cheek.
As for the Ole/Ed thing it genuinely wasn’t meant to be snide. Good signings or bad, i feel Ed has the final say and it may well be that (along with Ole) Ed probably deserves some credit for getting those players in. The next 6/7 signings may be rubbish and I’ll deffo be blaming Ed as much as I blame Ole too if that is the case.
posted on 16/9/19
OGS has us consistently with higher expected goals then the opposition since he has come in. That means it's the players fault at both ends when we don't win as we deserve to win pretty much nearly every game under Solskjaer or at least draw since he has come in league wise.
posted on 16/9/19
I’ve filtered VC and Barca we win because they always make it personal rather than debate. I’ve held off filtering you as you do talk actual football and weirdly I think we’d be mates in real life if we ever met as I feel you always slightly have one tongue firmly in cheek.
As for the Ole/Ed thing it genuinely wasn’t meant to be snide. Good signings or bad, i feel Ed has the final say and it may well be that (along with Ole) Ed probably deserves some credit for getting those players in. The next 6/7 signings may be rubbish and I’ll deffo be blaming Ed as much as I blame Ole too if that is the case.
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My tongues always a little bit in cheek... It's a forum ffs, plus you're easy enough to spark to pass an hour or so .
My point is its not all doom and gloom... No manager in the world would have us challenging this year... So let's see how it goes
As much as its a bit "small time"... We need to look at simply turning a few results around from last season, and aim for a tilt at top 4
And so far... We're on course
We've played some good stuff in patches... We've been poor in others.... But its 5 games
I'm normally a miserable tw*t... But I'm oddly a little optimistic... Maybe not as resigned to doom as usual is a better way of putting it
Signings have worked, lets see if he can use the cups to blood the kids, hopefully address the midfield over the next couple of windows (assuming it doesn't go totally t1ts up)... Then see where we are
We're miles off city and Liverpool.... They're not our targets... Are we miles off Arsenal or Chelsea.... Not with their defences and playing so open... Spurs, who knows, they can be hit and miss too
I hate 4231... I want 433...dan James on the left as his runs in behind (inside and out) will create space for pogba and less reliance on shaw overlapping... And I want the youth blooded gradually as they all look to have a little something about them (I'd love to see the diamond at some stage with Rashford and Greenwood/James with Gomes in behind)
If Ole does ultimately fail... I don't think we've a bad base to build on
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My tongues always a little bit in cheek... It's a forum ffs, plus you're easy enough to spark to pass an hour or so .
My point is its not all doom and gloom... No manager in the world would have us challenging this year... So let's see how it goes
As much as its a bit "small time"... We need to look at simply turning a few results around from last season, and aim for a tilt at top 4
And so far... We're on course
We've played some good stuff in patches... We've been poor in others.... But its 5 games
I'm normally a miserable tw*t... But I'm oddly a little optimistic... Maybe not as resigned to doom as usual is a better way of putting it
Signings have worked, lets see if he can use the cups to blood the kids, hopefully address the midfield over the next couple of windows (assuming it doesn't go totally t1ts up)... Then see where we are
We're miles off city and Liverpool.... They're not our targets... Are we miles off Arsenal or Chelsea.... Not with their defences and playing so open... Spurs, who knows, they can be hit and miss too
I hate 4231... I want 433...dan James on the left as his runs in behind (inside and out) will create space for pogba and less reliance on shaw overlapping... And I want the youth blooded gradually as they all look to have a little something about them (I'd love to see the diamond at some stage with Rashford and Greenwood/James with Gomes in behind)
If Ole does ultimately fail... I don't think we've a bad base to build on
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Good post.
posted on 16/9/19
This isn’t surprising, our players are bad in possession.
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In a nutshell.
Personally I don't think we've played that well this season aside from the odd moment here and there.
Compared to how we were playing under Ole when he first arrived, I think our football has turned a bit stale again. There's little in the way of flow or rhythm to our play which isn't a surprise given how the midfield is being set up and the calibre of player being used.
This is why I'd like to see Ole put some trust in Gomes because with his ability in tighter areas I think we would have a better chance of sustaining more attacks in the final third.
posted on 16/9/19
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 3 minutes ago
This isn’t surprising, our players are bad in possession.
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In a nutshell.
Personally I don't think we've played that well this season aside from the odd moment here and there.
Compared to how we were playing under Ole when he first arrived, I think our football has turned a bit stale again. There's little in the way of flow or rhythm to our play which isn't a surprise given how the midfield is being set up and the calibre of player being used.
This is why I'd like to see Ole put some trust in Gomes because with his ability in tighter areas I think we would have a better chance of sustaining more attacks in the final third.
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As much as I’d like to see Gomes play, in itself his introduction wouldn’t help the issue that there’s a country mile between our midfield and forwards.
Mata only had 44 touches of the ball in 70 minutes yesterday. I’ve never seen him play so high up the pitch as he has this season. James had 30 touches in 90 minutes.
If we’re going to play without an AM, the coaching staff are going to *have* to let the forwards come deep for the ball or we’re going to continue to hemorrhage possession in the middle third, as we did yesterday.
posted on 16/9/19
I think using Gomes would help the issue to an extent because he offers greater security in possession and he's a threat in confined spaces. I'm sure he'd have contributed more than Mata and Pereira did against Leicester playing in either of their roles.
I do agree though the spacing is a problem. I would actually go further and say it's been an issue from back to front at times rather than just between the midfield and forward line.
The shape, set up and some of Ole's use of personnel isn't right. He should look back at his initial set up when he got the job and why it was successful and go from there. It wouldn't hurt because I fear for him if he continues setting up the way he is and playing players out of position.
posted on 16/9/19
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I think using Gomes would help the issue to an extent because he offers greater security in possession and he's a threat in confined spaces. I'm sure he'd have contributed more than Mata and Pereira did against Leicester playing in either of their roles.
I do agree though the spacing is a problem. I would actually go further and say it's been an issue from back to front at times rather than just between the midfield and forward line.
The shape, set up and some of Ole's use of personnel isn't right. He should look back at his initial set up when he got the job and why it was successful and go from there. It wouldn't hurt because I fear for him if he continues setting up the way he is and playing players out of position.
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Absolutely.
It’s even stranger for me that we’ve got two CBs now who can pass the ball between the lines and diagonally, but even then the two DMs sit so deep and supporting line stays so high.
If the DMs are going to sit deep, there should be space for Mata and Pereira to drop in just behind the opposition midfield to collect passes from Lindelof and Maguire. But they just don’t; they’re up on the back four with James and Rashford.
If you’re not going to make use of that space, with two ball-playing CBs you may as well push one of the DMs on to force an opposition midfielder back and create yourself a bit of breathing room, but we don’t do that either.
It just doesn’t make any sense to me at all.