Guardiola would not tolerate Ozil in his team. Pep demands 100% commitment and a high defensive work rate from ALL of his players. Anyone not giving that, does not see his starting lineup and is lucky to get on his bench. Klopp would not tolerate Ozil in his team. Jurgen demands 100% commitment and a high defensive work rate from ALL his players. Anyone not giving that, does not see his starting lineup and is lucky to get on his bench. Same can be said for Poch and we already know Jose benched Ozil's ass already (and he had the bottle to do it when Ozil was a truly hot property).
Guardiola - Arguably the GOAT
Murinho - Arguably one of the best ever (dependent on philosophy)
Klopp - Same as Murinho except for the fact every LOVES Klopp
Poch - At least, a top manager with a far better grasp of PL than Emery.
Four of the best managers the PL has seen and none of them would be taking the "I don't do defending," BS off Ozil either. Yet Emery supposedly is a Muppet because he refuses to put up with it same as they wouldn't/don't.? How does that work exactly? I suppose you can argue they have better players so can be that fussy. Problem is we all know that each of those managers uses the high press as an integral tactic which creates a default position of "I need 10 outfielders who'll commit defensively." Meaning they'd likely still leave him out if they had the same players as Emery to work with. They just don't tolerate that attitude from their players. How can it be wrong for Emery to do the same? Surely any manager has the right to demand 100% commitment from his players and is correct to bench anyone not willing to give it?
In almost every team sport, once you get down to the true business of the tournament/league. It is and always has been team DEFENCE that brings the titles home. Teams that can't defend for sh!t, pretty much don't win sh!t. Because no matter how mighty your attack, without an at least competent and committed defence "We're gonna score one more than you" can't work because your crap defending costs more goals than you can score. This has been proven time and again in team sport and football in particular. Arsenal fans are fully aware of this fact so why can't so many accept that as that is the fact, Ozil has no place in ANY PL football team, because in the PL, defensive commitment is a prerequisite for any team claiming/looking to be a contender.
Wrong When Emery Does It???
posted on 31/10/19
In almost every team sport, once you get down to the true business of the tournament/league. It is and always has been team DEFENCE that brings the titles home. Teams that can't defend for sh!t, pretty much don't win sh!t. Because no matter how mighty your attack, without an at least competent and committed defence "We're gonna score one more than you" can't work because your crap defending costs more goals than you can score. This has been proven time and again in team sport and football in particular. Arsenal fans are fully aware of this fact so why can't so many accept that as that is the fact, Ozil has no place in ANY PL football team, because in the PL, defensive commitment is a prerequisite for any team claiming/looking to be a contender.
Can't follow your logic here allthough I agree with the part of us defending. Dont understand why Özil is the problem here. We havent lost the game because of Özil's shiiiit defending.
Bellerin and Holding especially were crap and they cost us. Mustafi was the old Mustafi. Martinez could have done better.
posted on 31/10/19
The others succeeded whe the they did it. Emery is failing.
posted on 31/10/19
If Messi can work his socks off for his team, then why can't/shouldn't Ozil who has just a miniscule fraction of Messi's ability.
posted on 31/10/19
Emery can drop or exclude Ozil all he wants but if the team is still performing like trash, still can't defend to save their lives and still give up leads like jokers then the spotlight will fall directly on them.
Pep and Klopp wouldn't tolerate it but people would be seeing massive improvement in the teams performances and agree with them. We on the other hand seem to be getting poorer each game.
posted on 31/10/19
Xhaka, Guendouzi, ceballos and Willock are constantly exposed in MF. I don't see effient work rate from any of these players off the ball and at the same time the players create and score nothing.
So don't really think Ozil is the problem here. If anything, he will at least create
posted on 31/10/19
Guardiola - Arguably the GOAT
Murinho - Arguably one of the best ever (dependent on philosophy)
Klopp - Same as Murinho except for the fact every LOVES Klopp
Poch - At least, a top manager with a far better grasp of PL than Emery.
Elephant in the room alert....one of these has won precisely nothing...what exactly makes him a top manager
Thanks
posted on 31/10/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Guardiola - Arguably the GOAT
Murinho - Arguably one of the best ever (dependent on philosophy)
Klopp - Same as Murinho except for the fact every LOVES Klopp
Poch - At least, a top manager with a far better grasp of PL than Emery.
Elephant in the room alert....one of these has won precisely nothing...what exactly makes him a top manager
Thanks
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Is/was there not talk about a move to Real? They don't tend to recruit nobody's. I say top in that he's managing a top 4/6 side in the PL and has done for quite some time. Personal standpoint is that what he has managed with Spurs is enough to satisfy me that he's a top manager in this league. General opinion seems to say he's very good. But we can all agree he's got a better idea than Emery how it works in this league.
posted on 31/10/19
GT
Ozil is to blame in a big way. I don't know why you need to ask how a player whom literally steps out the and lets the opposition run past him with the ball. Is to blame for goals being conceded. But to answer your question. For a high press to work effectively you need an 11 man effort (keeper sweeps for his part). And you particularly need your front 4 “At it” Your CAM is key because the free role nature of the position means that he/she will almost always be close by for any attack breakdown in the opposition half. Therefore usually one of the first able to make a challenge.
Especially when playing a team which breaks quickly, this is important. If the player making that challenge just moves out the way. The player behind him gets a dude coming at pace with a head of steam， whilst nowhere near set due to recovering from our attack breakdown. That foot in， means the breaker has to go around tackler or sideways (yes they can tekkers is but no defence for that if done right). The second or so delay/stutter in forward momentum, is an age to a recovering defender. Also， to press a ball well means 3 on the carrier. CAM usually one. If he CBA then there's always a way out，forward.
The best CAM we ever had for running a high press was Rosicky. We were never more effective running it than when he was on the pitch. Watching him，it's simple to see why/how you give Ozil a big fat chunk of blame for goals we concede.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Guardiola - Arguably the GOAT
Murinho - Arguably one of the best ever (dependent on philosophy)
Klopp - Same as Murinho except for the fact every LOVES Klopp
Poch - At least, a top manager with a far better grasp of PL than Emery.
Elephant in the room alert....one of these has won precisely nothing...what exactly makes him a top manager
Thanks
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Is/was there not talk about a move to Real? They don't tend to recruit nobody's. I say top in that he's managing a top 4/6 side in the PL and has done for quite some time. Personal standpoint is that what he has managed with Spurs is enough to satisfy me that he's a top manager in this league. General opinion seems to say he's very good. But we can all agree he's got a better idea than Emery how it works in this league.
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He probably is...but he's in some exulted company there all the same
posted on 31/10/19
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
Xhaka, Guendouzi, ceballos and Willock are constantly exposed in MF. I don't see effient work rate from any of these players off the ball and at the same time the players create and score nothing.
So don't really think Ozil is the problem here. If anything, he will at least create
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Xhaka is exposed regardless because he's a hopless DM. 2 key differences between the other three and Ozil. First is their mistakes/exposures are due to immaturity and inexperience, not because they couldn't be assed to play and do thier bit, as per Ozil. Second, when they stuff up and lose the ball, they usually bust a gut trying to get it back and atone for what they just done. They don't just go “Ugh I'm not playin now” and let a player run off with the ball.
Ozil is the problem any time you play him in the team. We simply do not have anywhere near the talent and experience in any current Arsenal 11, to carry Ozil. To play Ozil, you have to tolerate his crap and accept you're playing a man short, if you don't have the ball. In the PL that's a big ask of the other 9 outfielders' ability. Sadly ours are nowhere near good/strong for the task. Not many teams are in this league. That's why none of the top club managers barr bloody Wenger, has tolerated this “I don't do defending” malarky for quite a while now. I thought the fans had stopped putting up with it to but I guess not.