Kiko

And the Derby incident shows the world exactly how cynical a club's management can be. I can understand why they sacked Keogh - as club captain he should be leading by example on and off the pitch. I don't understand how the other two can be "rehabilitated" - and so quickly without concluding that the club are operating without principle, in which case Keogh's sacking is even more unjust. It seems like a really nasty thing to have done to him because he will not benefit from the specialist physio rehab available at the club. All in all, Derby have shown us how not to manage a crisis.

If Casilla is found guilty then he should be sacked, end of.

In the week that we see a village after 150 years change its name to avoid upsetting the PC brigade we need to be careful about being judge and jury over incidents like this, we probably will never know what was said but for me if Kiko does get banned if the team are happy for him to come back after the ban and dont think hes racist then that's good enough for me,

Somebody has already suggested that in his language what he's said could be a normal thing to say, I've said things here thinking I'm saying one thing only to find what I've said is insulting, mates have said a few times wtf!..

Did it a lot at first when my German was crap, still is crap but the mistakes ain't as bad as they were!..

He might have meant one thing but here its taken a different way to how he meant it!..

But then, its so easy these days for people to say he said, even when he's said nothing!..

Especially with the Racism card!..

If proven guilty than hang him, but hope he isn't guilty for something miss interpreted or he didn't say!..

People here have mentioned about him, MB and the Language barrier and how it makes things difficult, this might be a case off him saying one and meaning another!..

The only way to counter cultural biases is through education and pitting people to work together with those he has demeaned, to improve him and set him as an example of how people can change. See the positivity options for all, don't just react negatively to send the perpetrator down the road of having the chance to justify his actions grumpily.

Sacking him is not the right thing to do - suspending and fining and reducing pay for a long period, maybe even the rest of the season, and putting in place the way to re-educate and for him to pay something back, is the right thing to do

comment by Long Short Tall 666 (U19233)
posted 21 hours, 11 minutes ago
The only way to counter cultural biases is through education and pitting people to work together with those he has demeaned, to improve him and set him as an example of how people can change. See the positivity options for all, don't just react negatively to send the perpetrator down the road of having the chance to justify his actions grumpily.

Sacking him is not the right thing to do - suspending and fining and reducing pay for a long period, maybe even the rest of the season, and putting in place the way to re-educate and for him to pay something back, is the right thing to do
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comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 day, 21 hours ago
Racism got Stephen Lawrence killed it’s a conscious hateful act.

Drink driving is not a conscious hateful act.

You can’t compare the two acts.

You can compare relevant sentences but not the acts.
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Just seen your reply Jonty.

I work in the NHS, I look at A&E stats everyday, along with mortality rates for those killed as a result of drink driving (amongst other checks). It's an horrific number each year (200+) and that doesn't include the 1000s of others suffering serious injury as a result.

In many cases drink driving is a conscious act. Maybe not hateful, but certainly selfish. 4rses who do it regularly will go out in the car and know they'll be driving home after a skinfull, they consciously know what they're doing before heading out (not all, but certainly a good number). May not be hateful per se, but the net result is often someone injured or killed, often not the driver but the innocents caught up in it.

I stand by my original thought, that's my personal viewpoint - I fully respect you see it differently and you may well be right. For the avoidance of any doubt, i'm not trying to advocate or lessen the effects of racism. I've no time or tolerance for anyone committing it.

Vof, clearly emotive subjects, good that we can have civilised discussion about it.

Absolutely ..... 👍👍

https://twitter.com/bigjimmy_v/status/1191391751250104323?s=21

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 12 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/bigjimmy_v/status/1191391751250104323?s=21
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The minimum ban for racist abuse is 6 games.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49178952