Surely the controversy surrounding it on a weekly basis is enough to seriously look into knocking it on the head? They need to asses it and just admit it’s one of those failed attempts at a change, but it’s not for football. It has completely ruined the enjoyment out of football. I know us Spurs fans were happy when we benefited from it last season, but this novelty has long wore off.
Incidents like yesterday for the terribly unfortunate Gomes injury surely should of been overturned if the VAR was used correctly, as you could quite clearly see that was never a red card. No excuses here, Spurs are a bag of s*** at the moment, but these sort of decisions ruin games. If VAR isn’t going to be used correctly or going to be used for the most pathetic of offsides, then it needs to be banished.
It doesn’t work, it completely ruins any enjoyment out of football and it’s a complete failure of a system. Surely the fans maybe need to protest with their wallets ? Only way I see it being fazed out is if fans refuse to turn up.
VAR has got to go
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
Nobody wants 100% accuracy that's an allegation made as a platform to critique VAR.
VAR is not intended for perfection IMO.
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But whats the point of having some decisions right and some wrong? Some looked at by VAR (every goal) but others not (correct decisions of throw-ins, corners, whether someone offside when a goal isnt scored).
mm accuracy on one hand vs not even reviewing some decisions on the other.
People said VAR would open a can of worms on what gets reviewed and it has. IMO it has to be all or nothing otherwise what's the point of having it? WHy should we accept that some decisions will be right thru VAR but others will still be wrong by the ref. clear cut decisions like offside, who the ball came off last/goal kick or corner etc where a quick replay can determine the right decision.
posted on 4/11/19
Liverpool ever benefited from an offside goal?
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Come on now. What the fack is this?
Also, its terrible now but the VAR system is not to blame and with changes it can satisfy all your needs IMO.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 23 minutes ago
Liverpool ever benefited from an offside goal?
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Come on now. What the fack is this?
Also, its terrible now but the VAR system is not to blame and with changes it can satisfy all your needs IMO.
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I think this experience has shown VAR not to be appropriate for football.
Look at rugby and cricket and tennis.....where's controversy in TMO/Hawkeye decisions in those games. There arent any because it suits those games, the pace of those games and the rules.
IN rugby and cricket the ref is mic'd up, the fans see the replays, hear whats happening and the rules are very clear. There are well defined margins or error and these are accepted.
It doesnt suit football IMO.
posted on 4/11/19
Look at rugby and cricket and tennis.....where's controversy in TMO/Hawkeye decisions in those games. There arent any because it suits those games, the pace of those games and the rules.
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Exactly. IMO its about finding how it suits football like all the other sports have done. Other sports have had to make early adjustments too I think.
The current format is a joke and gives precedence to factors like "clear and obvious" and not wanting to overrule/embarrassed the ref.
To me that's clearly the problem. It needs to be applied in a manner befitting football.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 27 minutes ago
Look at rugby and cricket and tennis.....where's controversy in TMO/Hawkeye decisions in those games. There arent any because it suits those games, the pace of those games and the rules.
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Exactly. IMO its about finding how it suits football like all the other sports have done. Other sports have had to make early adjustments too I think.
The current format is a joke and gives precedence to factors like "clear and obvious" and not wanting to overrule/embarrassed the ref.
To me that's clearly the problem. It needs to be applied in a manner befitting football.
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That is why the on-feild ref. has to be front and centre in making decisions the way he is in Rugby Union.
What i like is the process.
If he allows a try for example, then he states try given but checking for a clearly defined infringement, so say forward pass for example.
He then assesses on that basis and if he finds it not an obvious offence the decision stays with him, if he finds an obvious offence then he over rules his original decision, all done while in dialogue with the TMO which can be heard and seen by all.
No one is undermining him by making a decision elsewhere, they work as a unit. The explanation is clear, as is his reasoning.
If in the Alli handball he decided not enough evidence to determine whether the ball did or did not first deflect off the defender, so there's doubt so on-field decision remains, at least we would understand the thought process. As it is we have no idea why that handball was not given.
Refs are scared. They want some unseen bloke in a warehouse to take the tough decision so they dont have to, and that's why they refuse the TV on the side of the pitch option. They're not bothered about being undermined. They're bothered about being blamed and looking bad.
posted on 4/11/19
Completely agree. Surely the top dogs can see this too so what the fack do they think they're doing? That's how I see it.
posted on 4/11/19
It's refreshing to see how RU use the refs and TMOs.
Its as if ex-rugby players actually run the game and make the decisions.
posted on 4/11/19
There's more money in football though and that always complicates things
I thought implementing VAR after all the time they had to prepare and precedents they could use would be flawless.
posted on 4/11/19
Or relatively near flawless at least.
posted on 4/11/19
VAR has it`s problems, like giving people offside by a single centimeter when there are around 6cm in between camera frames, the technology is not up to it and a 1cm offside call is far from `clear and obvious`.They need to work some margin of error into those decisions somehow.
The biggest problem with it though is that there are biased and corrupt clowns on the pitch making poor decisions and biased and corrupt clowns making the same poor decisions in the studio.
Maybe try some different referees from abroad.