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Election: Lies and Fallacy

Afternoon all. With the upcoming election inevitably going to be full of lies and sensationalism, I was hoping we could have a one stop shop of all outlandish claims made by the parties, with a small reality check here.

Please feel free to provide them, with a fact check provided.

Labour Claim:
Boris' trade deal with USA will Cost the NHS £500m a week.!

Detail:
The figures this is based on give "back of fagpacket" calculations a bad name.

Basically, USA spend 2.5 more on medicines per head than UK, so if you multiply what we pay in the UK (£18bn or something) by 2.5, the increase equals circa £500m a week!

If a serious politician thinks that this claim doesnt deserve greater scrutiny than this before making it a campaign headliner then, sadly, they're probably in the right career, with tabloid headline writer being the only thing lower


SNP Claim:
Economic analysis says that Brexit will cost every person in Scotland £1,600

Detail:
hey said the figure came from a Scottish government assessment in January 2018 - before either Theresa May's or Boris Johnson's deals.

It estimated that leaving the single market and customs union would knock £9bn off Scottish output (in 2016 pounds), which it divided by the population of Scotland to get about £1,600 per person.

So it's saying that GDP per person would be £1,600 lower than it would otherwise have been in 11 years, but that's not the same as costing each individual £1,600.

posted on 5/11/19

No 10 denies suppressing Russia interference report.

The report "examines Russian activity - including allegations of espionage, subversion and interference in elections - and includes evidence from UK intelligence services such as GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 concerning covert Russian attempts to influence the outcome of the 2016 EU referendum and 2017 general election."

Which was completed and signed off by both the UK intelligence services and the Intelligence and Security Committee.

No10 were simply to publish it but have chosen not to until after the GE. No prizes for guessing why...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50300551

posted on 5/11/19

time too take are county back lets get it done

posted on 5/11/19

Boris' trade deal with USA will Cost the NHS £500m a week.!

The figures this is based on give "back of fagpacket" calculations a bad name.

Basically, USA spend 2.5 more on medicines per head than UK, so if you multiply what we pay in the UK (£18bn or something) by 2.5, the increase equals circa £500m a week!

If a serious politician thinks that this claim doesnt deserve greater scrutiny than this before making it a campaign headliner then, sadly, they're probably in the right career, with tabloid headline writer being the only thing lower

posted on 5/11/19

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Boris' trade deal with USA will Cost the NHS £500m a week.!

The figures this is based on give "back of fagpacket" calculations a bad name.

Basically, USA spend 2.5 more on medicines per head than UK, so if you multiply what we pay in the UK (£18bn or something) by 2.5, the increase equals circa £500m a week!

If a serious politician thinks that this claim doesnt deserve greater scrutiny than this before making it a campaign headliner then, sadly, they're probably in the right career, with tabloid headline writer being the only thing lower
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The figures were forecasts (in a worst case scenario).

It’s no secret US pharmaceuticals want greater access to UK markets (where drug prices are much much cheaper). And have stated this explicitly (spending $500m on lobbying) to the USTR which formed part of their UK FTA objectives back in February 2019.

posted on 5/11/19

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
Boris' trade deal with USA will Cost the NHS £500m a week.!

The figures this is based on give "back of fagpacket" calculations a bad name.

Basically, USA spend 2.5 more on medicines per head than UK, so if you multiply what we pay in the UK (£18bn or something) by 2.5, the increase equals circa £500m a week!

If a serious politician thinks that this claim doesnt deserve greater scrutiny than this before making it a campaign headliner then, sadly, they're probably in the right career, with tabloid headline writer being the only thing lower
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The figures were forecasts (in a worst case scenario).

It’s no secret US pharmaceuticals want greater access to UK markets (where drug prices are much much cheaper). And have stated this explicitly (spending $500m on lobbying) to the USTR which formed part of their UK FTA objectives back in February 2019.
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Will you fwck off back to the other thread where I can keep an eye on you?


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posted on 6/11/19

Should have some rudimentary html like bold etc

I'll send you guide this evening or tomorrow morning.

posted on 15/11/19

Enjoyed listening to Corbyn telling us that the right thing to do would be to arrest terrorists such as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who blew himself up with a suicide vest I believe?

posted on 15/11/19

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