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Worst VAR decision of the season?

So far...

1 - Youri Tielemans not being sent off for a shocking tackle on Bournemouths Callum Wilson.

2 - Calum Chambers being penalised for being fouled against Crystal Palace and VAR ruling out a perfectly good goal.

3 - Gerard Deulofeu being hacked down in the box against Spurs but VAR ignoring the clear and obvious error in not awarding the penalty.

4 - Brightons penalty late on against Everton, which was initially not given, then awarded by VAR. The PGMOL later apologised for the award.

5 - Your own personal favourite.


posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago

One where it’s clearly obvious that the attacker is offside (I.e you don’t need anything else but to pause a video to see it). I’m not saying that though (although personally I’d be happy just with that), I’m saying go further and use VAR but factor in it’s maximum level of inaccuracy.

I’ll be completely honest though, anyone that thinks ruling out Sheffield Uniteds goal at the weekend was the right call, for example, is part of the problem and I think needs to question whether they actually like football for the right reasons. That’s for a separate discussion though (and I’m saying that as a general point, rather than an individual one).

posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
One where it’s clearly obvious that the attacker is offside (I.e you don’t need anything else but to pause a video to see it). I’m not saying that though (although personally I’d be happy just with that), I’m saying go further and use VAR but factor in it’s maximum level of inaccuracy.

I’ll be completely honest though, anyone that thinks ruling out Sheffield Uniteds goal at the weekend was the right call, for example, is part of the problem and I think needs to question whether they actually like football for the right reasons. That’s for a separate discussion though (and I’m saying that as a general point, rather than an individual one).

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Very well put and spot on.

posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 minutes ago
One where it’s clearly obvious that the attacker is offside (I.e you don’t need anything else but to pause a video to see it). I’m not saying that though (although personally I’d be happy just with that), I’m saying go further and use VAR but factor in it’s maximum level of inaccuracy.

I’ll be completely honest though, anyone that thinks ruling out Sheffield Uniteds goal at the weekend was the right call, for example, is part of the problem and I think needs to question whether they actually like football for the right reasons. That’s for a separate discussion though (and I’m saying that as a general point, rather than an individual one).

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I suppose that could work but one person could see something as offside an another not see it. That would therefore fit into not being offside, using your method. This subjectiveness could cost a team a league title or cause them to be relegated.

I just can't accept that and therefore I'm happy with VAR deciding it. It certainly needs work but we'll get there.

posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago

I can't accept the inaccuracies and inconsistencies of the handball calls...the offsides are at least black and white...even if they are mega marginal and take too long

posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago

I’m still saying using VAR though, are you arguing about what I said I’d be happy with rather than what I’m saying i’d actually have?

Just to counter your overall point though, if I use the Sheffield United example again, Tottenham conceded that goal because of their own failings, not because the United player was 10cm offside.

posted 4 weeks ago

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 8 hours, 19 minutes ago
I’m still saying using VAR though, are you arguing about what I said I’d be happy with rather than what I’m saying i’d actually have?

Just to counter your overall point though, if I use the Sheffield United example again, Tottenham conceded that goal because of their own failings, not because the United player was 10cm offside.
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Quite.

If you were coaching a defence to play offside, you wouldn’t regard that passage of play as a success.

posted 4 weeks ago

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 32 minutes ago
I’m still saying using VAR though, are you arguing about what I said I’d be happy with rather than what I’m saying i’d actually have?

Just to counter your overall point though, if I use the Sheffield United example again, Tottenham conceded that goal because of their own failings, not because the United player was 10cm offside.
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No, I do agree with this. But then you would have another scenario where a forward is offside by a toe and has been able to score because of that, whilst a defender held his line. So what do we say? Offside for shots but not crosses? We're overcomplicating things here. I'd just leave it as is and improve the process and especially the time to make the call.

posted 4 weeks ago

"But then you would have another scenario where a forward is offside by a toe and has been able to score because of that, whilst a defender held his line"

posted 4 weeks ago

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 32 minutes ago
I’m still saying using VAR though, are you arguing about what I said I’d be happy with rather than what I’m saying i’d actually have?

Just to counter your overall point though, if I use the Sheffield United example again, Tottenham conceded that goal because of their own failings, not because the United player was 10cm offside.
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No, I do agree with this. But then you would have another scenario where a forward is offside by a toe and has been able to score because of that, whilst a defender held his line. So what do we say? Offside for shots but not crosses? We're overcomplicating things here. I'd just leave it as is and improve the process and especially the time to make the call.
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That is a self created issue from VAR looking at those close a calls though. If only the toe is offside, the defender wouldn’t be questioning it and the root cause will still be either great attacking play or poor defending.

I do go back to remember the intent of the laws though. If you take the equivalent in rugby, which is checking the forward pass as well as offsides, they don’t bother with the lines at all as they can tell straight away if an obvious advantage has been gained.

posted 4 weeks ago

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 32 minutes ago
I’m still saying using VAR though, are you arguing about what I said I’d be happy with rather than what I’m saying i’d actually have?

Just to counter your overall point though, if I use the Sheffield United example again, Tottenham conceded that goal because of their own failings, not because the United player was 10cm offside.
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No, I do agree with this. But then you would have another scenario where a forward is offside by a toe and has been able to score because of that, whilst a defender held his line. So what do we say? Offside for shots but not crosses? We're overcomplicating things here. I'd just leave it as is and improve the process and especially the time to make the call.
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That is a self created issue from VAR looking at those close a calls though. If only the toe is offside, the defender wouldn’t be questioning it and the root cause will still be either great attacking play or poor defending.

I do go back to remember the intent of the laws though. If you take the equivalent in rugby, which is checking the forward pass as well as offsides, they don’t bother with the lines at all as they can tell straight away if an obvious advantage has been gained.


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Yeah, I think we could remove the lines. That's probably the compromise, if they can't get it working with practise.

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