This appears to be a narrative that is being pushed in the media. Whether it’s a line coming directly from the club remains to be seen. But the line seems to be that they don’t want to go down the route we have with sacking managers, especially without having a clear plan for the next manager and how that affects the cohesiveness of the squad.
This is understandable seeing the issues we’ve had, however, it seems the one thing they've not learnt from our mistakes is how you can keep a coach in the job too long. This happened with every single manager we’ve appointed since Fergie retired, and the short and long term impact of these decisions are still being felt. I get the impression the decision by Arsenal to stand by Emery is having a similar impact with them.
Arsenal trying to avoid United’s mistakes.
posted on 12/11/19
I’ve never really subscribed to it, Sideshow. The only ones I think were wrong were Mourinho first time and Ancelotti.
posted on 12/11/19
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posted on 12/11/19
I always wonder how things would have panned out at Chelsea had he stayed and done the rebuild. I think he’s the one man that could have actually have had a long term position at Chelsea.
I doubt things would have been as turbulent as it has been the last few years, however, you probably wouldn’t have reached the same highs. I doubt many Chelsea fans would trade that given the choice. That’s part of the fun, right?
posted on 12/11/19
Waiting until the window makes more sense than sacking him now. Given that we are still 6th. People are going on as though we're 16th. Wait until then (using time to get a replacement with a plan). If Emery hasn't turned it around by then, boot him and bring the new bloke in with a window to get/get rid of, whomever he needs too.
Much better and more stable than sack him now and rush replacement. I'm hoping dropping Xhaka pays big dividends. A few wins under the teams belt and everyone'll stop complaining.
posted on 12/11/19
Doubt it, the problems run deep and a few wins won’t deflect from that.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
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It’s not a direct comparison between the two. It’s more the case of Arsenal looking at the problems United have had since Fergie retired and trying to avoid repeating them.
Arsenal were in decline before Wenger left, yes, but it doesn’t change the fact he was a huge part of the fabric of the club. It’s a completely new regime now, so while there are differences I can understand United being brought up as we should be an example to all as to how not to run a football club.
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Our issues were two fold. We not only lost SAF but Gill as well. This led to a new manager and Ed. Ed was a complete novice. Arsenal's issue, while some superficial similarities, aren't the same.
On sacking the coach or not, it depends on how much belief they have in the manager. If he is the wrong guy, they need to act. But as we have seen, Watford have sacked managers much more quickly and they've been up and down for wise despite doing so.
posted on 13/11/19
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I don't get your point.
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I am saying Xhaka's presence is disruptive in the dressing room after his 'performance' in front of the fans. Why? Because obviously the decision for him to move on has been taken and he has been stripped of the captaincy, and if you were to believe some of the reports coming out, against the wishes of some in the dressing room. While Xhaka is at the club he is sideshow, a distraction to what needs to be done. The team will find it hard to coalesce under Aubamenyang and Emery let alone a new young coach. Thats why I think we need an experienced man to take charge who will quiet any dissenting voices in the dressing room and focus their minds on what needs to be done. I hope that clear.
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All of what you've written says to me that the players are behind him but the board / management isn't. Especially you saying that the captaincy was taken away against his team mates' wishes. That's not quite a dressing room issue.
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Thats the explicit definition of a dressing room in strife. Do you think players ever called the shots under Fergie, Wenger, George Graham?
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You think the players are calling any shots?!
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They obviously were and now Emery et al are trying to regain some control. Who gave them the vote to appoint the captain?
posted on 13/11/19
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I don't get your point.
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I am saying Xhaka's presence is disruptive in the dressing room after his 'performance' in front of the fans. Why? Because obviously the decision for him to move on has been taken and he has been stripped of the captaincy, and if you were to believe some of the reports coming out, against the wishes of some in the dressing room. While Xhaka is at the club he is sideshow, a distraction to what needs to be done. The team will find it hard to coalesce under Aubamenyang and Emery let alone a new young coach. Thats why I think we need an experienced man to take charge who will quiet any dissenting voices in the dressing room and focus their minds on what needs to be done. I hope that clear.
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All of what you've written says to me that the players are behind him but the board / management isn't. Especially you saying that the captaincy was taken away against his team mates' wishes. That's not quite a dressing room issue.
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Thats the explicit definition of a dressing room in strife. Do you think players ever called the shots under Fergie, Wenger, George Graham?
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You think the players are calling any shots?!
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They obviously were and now Emery et al are trying to regain some control. Who gave them the vote to appoint the captain?
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How? You still haven't explained how the players were calling the shots. The players when Mourinho left the second time were calling the shot.
And who gave them the vote? Emery. You said it yourself... GAVE. If they TOOK it, then I'd understand you're argument of player power. But the weak ass sumbitch GAVE it to them.
Twice.
posted on 13/11/19
Waiting until the window makes more sense than sacking him now
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Why? You want the new manager to have time with the squad before the window.
Arsenal's issue, while some superficial similarities, aren't the same.
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True, United just made like for like replacements whereas Arsenal were a lot more radical.
posted on 13/11/19
China, you don’t need to list me the differences between the situations as I’m well aware. But that doesn’t change the point about Arsenal trying to avoid the mistakes we’ve made after losing a longstanding manager.
The whole point of my article is to point out that, despite this attitude, Arsenal are actually making the same mistake we’ve been with a lack of ruthlessness and foresight when it comes to sacking a manager that is clearly wrong for them.
It’s arguably the most damaging problem at United. Because it so often leads to stagnation, or regression, among the squad and the season is just wasted.