Said a lot more than all the boos ringing around the stadium.
Players dont want to play for the manager
Manager not good enough
Players also not good enough
Board does nothing and is happy with a poor run.
Who is the biggest culprit ?
Lacazettes non celebration
posted on 24/11/19
Why would he celebrate a very late equaliser against 19th place team?
posted on 24/11/19
Because a draw is better than a loss, obviously.
posted on 24/11/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 4 hours, 55 minutes ago
Because a draw is better than a loss, obviously.
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Almost no top striker would have celebrated a goal like that under the circumstances. Most you'd have seen is a scramble to the back of the net to get the ball back on the spot or a wry smile because the player knew that was a cruel blow to the opposition. I only saw the youngsters joy jumping.
posted on 24/11/19
Another culprit in this demise of Arsenal FC are the many fans who have remained silent for too long and continue to show up to watch this garbage.
posted on 24/11/19
This constant blaming of the fans for the state the club is now in is not only disrespectful, but massively misplaced.
Stop reading and listening to biased opinions within the media, and start cultivating an opinion of your own.
posted on 25/11/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 22 hours, 5 minutes ago
This constant blaming of the fans for the state the club is now in is not only disrespectful, but massively misplaced.
Stop reading and listening to biased opinions within the media, and start cultivating an opinion of your own.
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Lex,
First all, before you issue sarcastic comments you might want to check your syntax. Fans CAN have a tremendous financial impact on any club, through what they spend on their club directly and MORE IMPORTANTLY, by what they spend, or don't spend, on club sponsors! Sorry that you don't get it.
posted on 26/11/19
So it's the supporters' fault if they attend week in, week out, stoically supporting the team, yet, after months and months of seeing a marked decline in performances, when they finally break and vocalise their frustration, they're also in the wrong?
Hmm... okay.
posted on 26/11/19
I never said all it is all the supporters Lex. I also pointed out it was a part of the blame. And in the last ten years at least, it's only the away faithful whom are “stoically supporting the team.” If all the fans in the emirates stoically supported the team then you'd not hear away fans over them any time we go a goal down.
You're not silly Lex so know full well we have alot of AFTV head fans who do nothing but watch the team to slate the players and manager afterward. They offer nothing but negativity, criticism and abuse. That's not supporting anything but their own need to keep the toxicity flowing. AFC isn't a nice environment to be in even when you're getting results. That's GOT to be a big factor in whether top players (that we do need more of) join/leave the club.
All clubs have a few fans that go too far or are out of line. But we seem to have that mentality rife through the fanbase. And it is overwhelmingly millenial driven. Though there are a minority of the older fans who think this crap is acceptable too. Spoilt brats who only wanna cheer when we're winning and wonder why players they do nothing but abuse, don't play well for them. The 12th man IS important and until he shows up at Arsenal, we'll keep having issues and all issues will be worse than they need have been. Only thing the 12th man at the Emirates has ever done is whine, cry or moan for someone to be sacked or sit silently getting punked proper by away fans making more noise than him.
Kinda got the team they deserve at the moment.
posted on 26/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
I never said all it is all the supporters Lex. I also pointed out it was a part of the blame. And in the last ten years at least, it's only the away faithful whom are “stoically supporting the team.” If all the fans in the emirates stoically supported the team then you'd not hear away fans over them any time we go a goal down.
You're not silly Lex so know full well we have alot of AFTV head fans who do nothing but watch the team to slate the players and manager afterward. They offer nothing but negativity, criticism and abuse. That's not supporting anything but their own need to keep the toxicity flowing. AFC isn't a nice environment to be in even when you're getting results. That's GOT to be a big factor in whether top players (that we do need more of) join/leave the club.
All clubs have a few fans that go too far or are out of line. But we seem to have that mentality rife through the fanbase. And it is overwhelmingly millenial driven. Though there are a minority of the older fans who think this crap is acceptable too. Spoilt brats who only wanna cheer when we're winning and wonder why players they do nothing but abuse, don't play well for them. The 12th man IS important and until he shows up at Arsenal, we'll keep having issues and all issues will be worse than they need have been. Only thing the 12th man at the Emirates has ever done is whine, cry or moan for someone to be sacked or sit silently getting punked proper by away fans making more noise than him.
Kinda got the team they deserve at the moment.
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WB2,
Excellent summation! Lex obviously has fallen into an opinion hole and has decided that the best way to get out of this hole is by digging it deeper.
posted on 27/11/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 18 hours, 58 minutes ago
I never said all it is all the supporters Lex. I also pointed out it was a part of the blame. And in the last ten years at least, it's only the away faithful whom are “stoically supporting the team.” If all the fans in the emirates stoically supported the team then you'd not hear away fans over them any time we go a goal down.
You're not silly Lex so know full well we have alot of AFTV head fans who do nothing but watch the team to slate the players and manager afterward. They offer nothing but negativity, criticism and abuse. That's not supporting anything but their own need to keep the toxicity flowing. AFC isn't a nice environment to be in even when you're getting results. That's GOT to be a big factor in whether top players (that we do need more of) join/leave the club.
All clubs have a few fans that go too far or are out of line. But we seem to have that mentality rife through the fanbase. And it is overwhelmingly millenial driven. Though there are a minority of the older fans who think this crap is acceptable too. Spoilt brats who only wanna cheer when we're winning and wonder why players they do nothing but abuse, don't play well for them. The 12th man IS important and until he shows up at Arsenal, we'll keep having issues and all issues will be worse than they need have been. Only thing the 12th man at the Emirates has ever done is whine, cry or moan for someone to be sacked or sit silently getting punked proper by away fans making more noise than him.
Kinda got the team they deserve at the moment.
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You have to look at this way beyond the last few seasons, and the rise of AFTV et al to be apportioning blame for where the club is at right now. But whilst we are talking about them, AFTV’s reach is not nearly as far reaching and influential to the general, largely middle class, middle aged, matchday going support - the majority of which I’d imagine are either completely unaware of its existence, or couldn’t care less about their opinions - as you seem to think it is. They really only gain any traction within their online echo chambers, and gloating rival fans. If someone watches AFTV and is influenced by it, they were probably p#ssed off with things already.
So how did we get here? Well, moving stadium was the beginning for many. All the promises of it being a necessity for us to move to the next level, and compete with the very top European clubs… every step the club has taken since then has seen a gradual (until recent seasons, at least) climb down the ladder. We’re now at a point when Fitzman and Dein’s words are actually laughable. And then they sold all their shares…
All moving did was make already rich people even wealthier. And now the club is being used to make one rich man even wealthier. Yet this is the fans’ fault, according to some. The fans are branded ‘impatient’ and entitled, when in fact Arsenal have one of the most patient and understanding fan bases of all the ‘big clubs’ in Europe.
So sure, you think the managerial issue(s), the Xhaka issue, the Ozil issue, the Torreira issue, the CB issue, the MF issue, the scouting issue, the contract issues… all the issues, all could be solved by the fans just cheering up and being grateful for where we’re at, as opposed to where we were told we would be.
Hope you don’t mind too much if I disagree.
I’ll leave spreading the ‘fan-fault’ myth to the likes of Garth Globaled here. If we wait long enough he’ll probably tell how Arsenal’s real problem is that they always try to walk it into the net…