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Ballon d'Or: van Dijk deserves it?

I keep hearing this statement from pundits, coaches etc and it does my head in.

52 goals 23 Assists, Give those stats to Sterling, Mane,Salah, Firminho or any other footballer other than Messi and Ronaldo and the Ballon d'Or race is a no contest. If you accept that Liverpool and City are better teams than Barca then Messi gets those stats playing for probably the worst Barca team for 12 years but people still moan.

No doubt Ronaldo was shafted last season as Modric won what was essentially the anything but Ronaldo & Messi vote but is this how we are going to treat this award until both players retire? Modric proved this season he was never the worlds best player at any point by not even getting a nomination for this years award, the first player to achieve this dishonour.

Why are we so obsessed with lowering the standard so that someone else can win it?

van Dijk will be a worthy winner if he gets the prize this evening as he is a class player who has been above his peers, but to pretend as if he will be shafted if Messi wins the award is just ignorant and stupid on the part of some fans.



posted 5 days, 17 hours ago

Messi was the worthy winner, he just makes the exceptional look normal because he does hit every single year. Goat

posted 5 days, 16 hours ago

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
No, you claimed that the South American's are crooked.

I'm just asking what you've seen to suggest that.

If you don't have anything then fine, but let's not pretend that watching football for 40 years is some sort of basis for that comment.
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Why isn't that a perfectly reasonable basis ?
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How does watching football mean you know the breakdown who has voted for who?
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Because some supporters are interested in who won the Ballon D'or. It's kind of a big deal.

They always have the breakdown of the votes following the ceremony.

Did you think last night was a one off?
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Yes, but unless you’ve gone through and counted the votes by South American vs European, how can you make the claim that you did?

Didn’t realise it’d be such a big deal to ask what basis that comment was made on!
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Didn't realise I needed to reference my discernment on South American journalists but here we are.



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You don’t, I was just interested. Not sure why you’re being so defensive.

The fact you can’t answer suggests you have absolutely no basis for what you said.

posted 5 days, 13 hours ago

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
No, you claimed that the South American's are crooked.

I'm just asking what you've seen to suggest that.

If you don't have anything then fine, but let's not pretend that watching football for 40 years is some sort of basis for that comment.
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Why isn't that a perfectly reasonable basis ?
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How does watching football mean you know the breakdown who has voted for who?
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Because some supporters are interested in who won the Ballon D'or. It's kind of a big deal.

They always have the breakdown of the votes following the ceremony.

Did you think last night was a one off?
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Yes, but unless you’ve gone through and counted the votes by South American vs European, how can you make the claim that you did?

Didn’t realise it’d be such a big deal to ask what basis that comment was made on!
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Didn't realise I needed to reference my discernment on South American journalists but here we are.



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You don’t, I was just interested. Not sure why you’re being so defensive.

The fact you can’t answer suggests you have absolutely no basis for what you said.
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Nothing to do with being defensive. I just think the act of requesting people bookmark and reference their knowledge of the game is weird.

I provided a perfectly acceptable basis - you simply reject the notion that being an avid follower of the game is enough.

I can say with certainty that Ferguson is a great premier league manager without referencing his accolades.

posted 5 days, 13 hours ago

I haven’t request that you bookmark anything.

I just asked what proof you have that more South Americans vote for people from their region than Europeans who do the same.

It’s a bold claim and I wondered if you have any proof.

You don’t. You clearly just made it up.

posted 5 days, 12 hours ago

Except it’s not a bold claim and the proof is in the voting records.

Europeans voting for South American’s and Europeans but South American’s only voting for Messi.

Why can’t you grasp this?

posted 5 days, 12 hours ago

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 26 minutes ago
Except it’s not a bold claim and the proof is in the voting records.

Europeans voting for South American’s and Europeans but South American’s only voting for Messi.

Why can’t you grasp this?
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So you’re telling me that you’ve been through years of voting records to see who has voted for who in order to come to this conclusion?

posted 5 days, 11 hours ago

Just glanced the report to see that Chile, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru didn’t vote for Messi.

That latest claim not really standing up to scrutiny.

Interested to know if you actually went through the numbers or if you’ve just got a perception that it’s the case.

posted 5 days, 11 hours ago

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
Just glanced the report to see that Chile, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru didn’t vote for Messi.

That latest claim not really standing up to scrutiny.

Interested to know if you actually went through the numbers or if you’ve just got a perception that it’s the case.
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A country is not a continent.

And no, I haven’t been through years of voting records, I’ve noted them at the time they were competed.

posted 5 days, 11 hours ago

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
Just glanced the report to see that Chile, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru didn’t vote for Messi.

That latest claim not really standing up to scrutiny.

Interested to know if you actually went through the numbers or if you’ve just got a perception that it’s the case.
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A country is not a continent.

And no, I haven’t been through years of voting records, I’ve noted them at the time they were competed.
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Er... those countries are from South America.

You claimed that South American’s are only voting for Messi. That’s not correct, is it?

And it’s becoming clear that you haven’t actually got any figures to back up your original claim.

posted 4 days, 22 hours ago

People just making things up and hoping no one will check if they're true

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