PSG and the Champions League

Surely all those factors are down to the manager though, that’s their job.

The United squad without Ferguson would clearly not be as good because it would lack the undeniable talents that he had as a manager, including improving players because he understood them on a very human level which very few managers are able to do.

Hence the difference between a coach and a manager. That’s why even people who prefer Klopp still say Pep is the best coach of his generation because he actually coaches players and changes their game doesn’t matter how old you are or what you are used to.

That’s why He falls out with some players especially the established and stubborn ones as he re-educates you on how to play football and some refuse to accept it (ibra, Eto etc)

At times it doesn’t quite yield immediate results as shown at Bayern where he tried to change the positions of players like Lahm, Alaba, Martinez but after a while all those players admit that he made them better.

Remember He had his issues with Aguero when he joined City. Obviously the biggest proof of player improvement at City is Sterling because he is English and gets a lot of attention but he has improved every single player at City

Fernandinho was just an expensive average midfielder until Pep arrived
David Silva was a deep lying playmaker until Pep came and moved him forward & added goals to his game

Although people like to say Pep prefers small technical players he actually works with all types of players.

The biggest proof of Peps ability to re-coach players is Jerome Boateng, a big lump but an athlete that Pep turned into one of the best center backs.

David Silva has been City’s best player under Pep but it will be interesting to see what he does with De bruyne going forward as I think the team must be built around him now. He has still not reached his peak in my opinion.

Tuchel is a very good manager and PSG will be difficult to stop this season

Yes 1982. But I often read on here that it is coaching that makes the difference. But by the time they get to the first team they have probably already been coached for a decade.
Yes it was Fergies genius but it took three years to start showing itself on the pitch.

Plus as I have said before, he had two strokes of luck, getting Eric unasked for, and the class of 92.
Ole's only had bad luck so far.

I agree about Ole, the injuries have ruined any chance for him to build. We saw what he could do with a full squad after Jose was sacked.

The challenge Ole has is he is not a Pep or a Klopp.

How was the class of 92 luck for Ferguson? One of the first things he did when he joined United was completely restructure our youth set up which was probably a large reason why the class of 92 existed.

Also, it was Ferguson who asked about Cantona after Leeds contract United about Irwin. Dublin had just been injured so Ferguson thought he’d ask whether he was available after rejecting their offer for Irwin.

So your 2 examples are completely wrong and not luck. In fact they show someone who is willing to take risks and make big changes.

Rex

Yes I agree partly, but I’d also say that back then the difference between manager and coach wasn’t so different in English football as it is today. It wasn’t Brian Kids’s coaching that made us so strong, Ferguson also knew how to freshen ideas and coaching which is why he often changed his assistant manager.

I wouldn’t say Ole proved what he can do when he took over from Jose either. He did well but it was short lived and we still had most of our squad and all our key players later in the season when we were terrible.

Harrison coached the class of 92, it was already in progress when SAF arrived.
Also I have read he was offered Eric, not asked about him.
And in either event was lucky. He could have enquired and been given a straight no.
With the class of 92 it would have taken awhile to to find players of the calibre of Scholes, Giggs et El. Whenever I say this people get defensive as if I'm demeaning SAF, which I'm not at all. He was the best. But luck gave him a helping hand, which so far Ole hasn't had.

Ole’s failings so far aren’t to do with bad luck, he’s made quite a few mistakes and is largely responsible for our inability to adapt and beat the ‘weaker’ teams. We can’t lay the whole excuse on not having Pogba.

Harrison may have been at the club before Ferguson but Ferguson clearly made changes when he joined and increased the scouting network considerably because he wasn’t satisfied.

If you want to call all these things luck then you can make a case for anything being luck, including Lesley Ash having an affair with Cantona which caused problems with Lee Chapman, Ash’s husband.

Lesley Ash, really? How do you know these things?

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Don't mean to get ahead of myself but if City/Leicester keep dropping points the pressure in the league might be off of Liverpool in the last month or two and there can be rotation.
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Doubt you will win the league by double digits hence forget about rotation, won’t happen.
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You're right.

I don't know what I was thinking
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Champions league tends to take care of itself because it’s one of those competitions where is simply about the condition of the players at the time the later stages start.

For example PSG May have the kind of lead that allows them to rotate players but doesn’t guarantee anything

The dangerous teams tend to be those that are not going for their domestic league hence why I think Real will be very dangerous

But I fancy PSG. They will destroy a lot of teams at home but it’s how they handle the away games.
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Yeah but last season we won it and lost the league by a point

That's pretty close to a double.
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Close is not a double. The double is not easy especially if you are involved in a hotly contested title race.

It would be interesting to see of the teams that have won the league and champions league double, how many were involved in a tight race for the domestic league.

I saw an interview by Kompany where he said if they had gone past Tottenham in that epic second leg, he doubts they would have had enough to win the league. But at the same time he said if they had lost the league race to Liverpool he was also certain they would have beat Liverpool in Madrid for the champions league.

CL and league doubles or even the treble is not easy hence why Fergie did not achieve that a lot.


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Was referring to the point you made, that dangerous teams tend to be those not going for their domestic league.

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