At the post match press conference yesterday, Jose said that we should rename VAR to VR (Video Ref) since all the big decisions in the game, not just the clear and obvious ones, but all decisions are being made by those behind the monitors, and not by the man in the middle.
The implementation of VAR has been done inaccurately. First off, VAR cannot mean the decisions should be taking more than 2 minutes at max. If a decision takes longer than it is not a clear and obvious one. Secondly, when does a decision get referred and when it doesn't?
There are times when an incident occurs but it's not referred by or even analysed by the VAR people? Why some are and some aren't?
Their have been decisions when VAR retrospectively made a decision and made the ref on the pitch, stop the game and bring back the action to the incident for which the ref didn't give anything.
On a Spurs matter now. It seems that Spurs arent the only side finding it hard to be consistent this season. Take away Liverpool and Leicester, almost all the other sides have dropped points when they weren't expected.
Therefore, we should view yesterday's result in perspective. I was extremely disappointed more with the way we lost. Less with the fact that we lost.
Since Mourinho took over, Chelsea, MU, Wolves, Sheffield United all have earned fewer points.
Since November 23rd, when Jose took over, the points tally table looks like this: Note some team may have played fewer games.
1. Leicester City 20.
2. Liverpool 18.
3. Manchester City and Tottenham 16.
4. Manchester United 15.
6. Wolves 14.
7. Sheffield United 12.
8. Chelsea 10.
(copied from a internet)
Looking at things like this, we can take comfort and solace that this season is a bit topsy-turvy for most clubs.
And also Jose hasn't done too badly being joint 3rd.
We definitely need to be shoring up that defense. We also need to look at our medical and conditioning departments. I hope Tanguay just jarred his knee and should be back soon, but who know how long Harry is out for. It's strange but almost same stage as the last season when he's got an injury.
Son should be back and maybe he can rescue us, like last season.
COYS
Cold hard facts & Video Ref ramblings
posted on 2/1/20
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Fking virgin.
posted on 2/1/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
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VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
posted on 3/1/20
posted on 3/1/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
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VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
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Okay...so Mourinho is wrong.
The field referee can simply not consult VAR on anything the whole 90 minutes, and make decisions himself, all by himself - right?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
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VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
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Okay...so Mourinho is wrong.
The field referee can simply not consult VAR on anything the whole 90 minutes, and make decisions himself, all by himself - right?
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No. He doesnt consult them. They highlight potential errors to him.
I don't know what I have to say here to make you understand. The referee does not choose to consult VAR. VAR highlights any potential errors to him, they watch the replays and convey their thoughts to him. He then makes the decision.
In other leagues the ref can watch the replay himself.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
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VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay...so Mourinho is wrong.
The field referee can simply not consult VAR on anything the whole 90 minutes, and make decisions himself, all by himself - right?
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No. He doesnt consult them. They highlight potential errors to him.
I don't know what I have to say here to make you understand. The referee does not choose to consult VAR. VAR highlights any potential errors to him, they watch the replays and convey their thoughts to him. He then makes the decision.
In other leagues the ref can watch the replay himself.
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HOW do the "highlight" potential errors to him?
Surely he can just ignore them?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
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VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay...so Mourinho is wrong.
The field referee can simply not consult VAR on anything the whole 90 minutes, and make decisions himself, all by himself - right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. He doesnt consult them. They highlight potential errors to him.
I don't know what I have to say here to make you understand. The referee does not choose to consult VAR. VAR highlights any potential errors to him, they watch the replays and convey their thoughts to him. He then makes the decision.
In other leagues the ref can watch the replay himself.
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HOW do the "highlight" potential errors to him?
Surely he can just ignore them?
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They speak to him through his earpiece. He could ignore them but why would he? He wants to keep his job and he has been trained and advised on how he needs to work with VAR.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay...so Mourinho is wrong.
The field referee can simply not consult VAR on anything the whole 90 minutes, and make decisions himself, all by himself - right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. He doesnt consult them. They highlight potential errors to him.
I don't know what I have to say here to make you understand. The referee does not choose to consult VAR. VAR highlights any potential errors to him, they watch the replays and convey their thoughts to him. He then makes the decision.
In other leagues the ref can watch the replay himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
HOW do the "highlight" potential errors to him?
Surely he can just ignore them?
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They speak to him through his earpiece. He could ignore them but why would he? He wants to keep his job and he has been trained and advised on how he needs to work with VAR.
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Given all the controversy about VAR and its millimeter judgements it might make sense to ignore it unless there is something blatant that needs redressing.
I very much doubt a good field referee who did that would lose his job. That could be the death of VAR!
posted on 3/1/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Okay, but what I'm really asking is this .....
If the field referee makes a decision and does NOT consult VAR, can VAR overturn that decision?
Or does VAR simply stay silent?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VAR doesnt overturn decisions. It highlights it to the ref and the ref makes the decision based on what they have said.
In other leagues the referee will consult the monitor himself. The PL doesn't allow it for some reason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay...so Mourinho is wrong.
The field referee can simply not consult VAR on anything the whole 90 minutes, and make decisions himself, all by himself - right?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. He doesnt consult them. They highlight potential errors to him.
I don't know what I have to say here to make you understand. The referee does not choose to consult VAR. VAR highlights any potential errors to him, they watch the replays and convey their thoughts to him. He then makes the decision.
In other leagues the ref can watch the replay himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
HOW do the "highlight" potential errors to him?
Surely he can just ignore them?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They speak to him through his earpiece. He could ignore them but why would he? He wants to keep his job and he has been trained and advised on how he needs to work with VAR.
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Given all the controversy about VAR and its millimeter judgements it might make sense to ignore it unless there is something blatant that needs redressing.
I very much doubt a good field referee who did that would lose his job. That could be the death of VAR!
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Well yes he would. They aren't allowed to ignore the VAR. They can choose to make their own decision.
posted on 3/1/20
They are given guidance on what they should do in particular situations. They can't just go against that.
This is also to help with consistency.