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Rice scouted

According to the Daily Mail's Craig Hope, Solskjaer sent his "personal scout" Simon Wells to watch Rice in action during West Ham's defeat to Sheffield United at Bramall Lane.

Wells is Solskjaer's "most trusted scout" and reports directly to him, while Rice has emerged as one of the club's top summer targets to strengthen midfield, per the report.

Rice has drew criticism from Roy Keane, who has been openly critical of the midfielder.

"Where does he need to improve, where do you want me to start? His positional play I don’t think is consistent enough, he doesn’t stay with runners, he’s sloppy in possession. I can go on."

Gary Neville also expressed reservations about Rice moving to Old Trafford. Speaking on Sky Sports' Monday Night Football, he said he was unsure if his former club should make a big-money move for the midfielder.
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I don't watch West Ham often, but I've not been that impressed with him when I have seen him. Would he solve one of the many issues with our midfield? I'd prefer a player such as Neves (if we could tempt him) than Rice if we're going to be throwing stupid money at a player.

posted 5 days, 21 hours ago

I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.

That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.

posted 5 days, 21 hours ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.

That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.

Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.

posted 5 days, 20 hours ago

comment by HB Fash (U21935)

posted 35 minutes ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.

That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.

Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.

posted 5 days, 20 hours ago

McT is better than rice imo

posted 5 days, 20 hours ago

I wondered if Rice might've developed as a CB which is what he was before he started playing in midfield. Defensively he reads the game quite well for his age but he's not very good in possession compared to other holding players of a similar age.

Anyway, it would be a shame we brought in a player like Rice when we've Garner who I hope to see a bit more of soon.

posted 5 days, 20 hours ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)

posted 35 minutes ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.

That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.

Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
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No you shouldn't sign Rice as he's overpriced, over-rated, not able to do the technical side of the game as well as United need a midfielder to be able to and i can't see him kicking on to the next level.

McTominay you already have and he's produced enough for the United fans to take to him, he should stay and fill in gaps when 1st team players are out imo.

posted 5 days, 20 hours ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
HB Fash, any particular basis for believing one young player has room to improve and another doesn't?
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Reaching ones max potential and the other hasn't?

comment by Mike (U1170)

posted 5 days, 19 hours ago

Prefer McTominay to Rice from what I've seen.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted 5 days, 17 hours ago

McTominay > Rice

posted 5 days, 17 hours ago

comment by HB Fash (U21935)

posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)

posted 35 minutes ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I haven't seen enough of either to comment. What I would say is that I've seen a few young midfielders prematurely written off as technically limited but come into their own gradually over 2-3 years in first team football. Fletcher and McT are examples from United. Young midfielders have to acclimatise tactically and deal with the same huge step up in level as any other player. But they also have to hone their instincts in the area of the field that's probably the most constricted for space and the most pressurised: when to make which passes, when to play it safe / force it, when to try something unexpected. It's not surprising that they often play within themselves a bit in their early matches. McTominay was seen as a workhorse with little technical skill by many but has gradually added flicks and more progressive passing to his game. It's not that he has recently learnt all that.

That's why (apart from the fact that I've barely watched either of them) I'd reserve judgement on the ceilings of players like Rice and Longstaff.
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Rice has been playing PL level for a while and if i'm honest McTominay isn't up to much, squad player at best.

Having had to watch him for Scotland he's the weakest link in our midfield when he plays.
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So we shouldn't sign Rice as we have McTominay.
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No you shouldn't sign Rice as he's overpriced, over-rated, not able to do the technical side of the game as well as United need a midfielder to be able to and i can't see him kicking on to the next level.

McTominay you already have and he's produced enough for the United fans to take to him, he should stay and fill in gaps when 1st team players are out imo.
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McTominay > Rice

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