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Recruitment

Seems to be the buzzword in the media at the moment. Evra, Keane and Souness were very critical of our recruitment since Gill left and now Neville is even calling for Ed's head.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/20/gary-neville-calls-ed-woodward-sacked-manchester-uniteds-unforgivable/

We can blame managers all day long, but Moyes, LVG and Jose are not idiots. We've the second highest wage bill in world football and I wouldn't put our squad in the top 30.

Now we are in a desperate state. Reliant on only James, Greenwood and Martial in attacking roles for the rest of the season and our number target left for Dortmund. Ole said only 2 weeks ago an attacker isn't on the list for January.

So do we continue to wait for the right player, and see this season as a write off, or do our usual and a player out of desperation?

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ed's watch?

He hires the coaches based on advice from within the club. They get money to spend. If they fail they get sacked.

Jose, a supposed world class coach was given a fair crack with tonnes of cash but he ballsed it up.

I blame him for our troubles. Sanchez, Matic, Lukaku, Bailly, Lindeloff etc. Waste of money. garbage signings that have set up back.

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Woodward takes ultimate responsibility for the decisions. He is responsible for ensuring he has the right footballing expertise within the club, the right footballing brains, to make informed decisions. He has failed to bring in a technical director. He obviously didn't have someone who could advise him that zig-zagging between such totally different footballing styles and recruitment requirements as Moyes, followed by LVG followed by Mourinho was totally incoherent, inefficient and likely to be disastrous in terms of return on investment.
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We haven't had a technical director since the club existed. We probably have in some capacity though but hey we've survived up until now.

Switching managers and styles comes with the hiring of a new coach. There are not handfuls of Klopp disciples waiting in the wings to hire one after another. After we hired LVG we looked at the best coach available and that was Jose.

City hired Pep who was a different style to Pellegrini.

Spurs have just changed their style by hiring Jose. And they are supposedly a well run club.

Chelsea have switched to many different styles and seem to do ok. From Jose to Ancelotti, to Conte, to Sarri and now Lampard.

Clubs need to adapt so I certainly don't hold that against Ed.
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We haven't had a technical director before because we had a uniquely long-term manager who started in an era before such a role existed in the English game, when there were fewer specialist roles within clubs, and of course Ferguson gradually evolved into something like a director of football over the years (increasingly delegating the coaching and tactical side of the manager's job to his team). It was plain to see that as we lost Ferguson (and Gill at the same time) and were unlikely to replicate that stability of management ever again, we needed to change the structure of the club to ensure long-term strategy and culture were maintained while coaches came and went.

As for the idea that every change of coach means ripping up the tactical plans, of course there will be changes, but a smart club tries to ensure that they are evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Man City have built a long-term strategy around high quality possession football, meaning successive coaches inherit squads that don't require long transitions to get up to speed. The adaptation from Pellegrini to Guardiola was much less painful for the players than Moyes to LVG or LVG to Mourinho. And given how sensibly run Liverpool FC is right now, I have little doubt that the manager who eventually succeeds Klopp will be someone who employs aggressive pressing high up the pitch.
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City will struggle to replace Pep, as will Loverpool with Klopp.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 3 minutes ago
"The manager's have been backed financially"

The managers are stuck signing players contracts they don't want year in year out. Woodward said as much himself.

Jose publicly said he wanted different signings when we got Fred.

Ole clearly stated a striker would be signed after Lukaku left.

Spending a lot of money doesn't equate to a manager being backed imo.
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No club gets every one of their targets. Why you lot thi k Inited should be any different is bizarre.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"The manager's have been backed financially"

The managers are stuck signing players contracts they don't want year in year out. Woodward said as much himself.

Jose publicly said he wanted different signings when we got Fred.

Ole clearly stated a striker would be signed after Lukaku left.

Spending a lot of money doesn't equate to a manager being backed imo.
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There was no striker available and Ole has insisted he will only sign the right players.

Presumably he wanted Haaland. But the club did not wanted to deal with Raiola and a release clause.
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I think I love you Lurker.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
"The manager's have been backed financially"

The managers are stuck signing players contracts they don't want year in year out. Woodward said as much himself.

Jose publicly said he wanted different signings when we got Fred.

Ole clearly stated a striker would be signed after Lukaku left.

Spending a lot of money doesn't equate to a manager being backed imo.
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This is true, and ties up with RR’s comment on continuity above.

Spectacularly, the board has managed to appoint four managers in a row with completely different ideas about the kind of football we should be playing.

It’s so facking incompetent, it’s hard to believe it isn’t sabotage.
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So which managers style would you have wanted to continue with?

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"The manager's have been backed financially"

The managers are stuck signing players contracts they don't want year in year out. Woodward said as much himself.

Jose publicly said he wanted different signings when we got Fred.

Ole clearly stated a striker would be signed after Lukaku left.

Spending a lot of money doesn't equate to a manager being backed imo.
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There was no striker available and Ole has insisted he will only sign the right players.

Presumably he wanted Haaland. But the club did not wanted to deal with Raiola and a release clause.
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No he said a striker will be coming in before the end of the window, at least one more player.

No player came in.

I'm all for signing the right players, and walking away from Dybala for example, but surely there's a list of 4 or 5 players for Ed to target.
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No. Ole said he couldnt get the one he wanted, and that stubbornness will cost us now.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"The manager's have been backed financially"

The managers are stuck signing players contracts they don't want year in year out. Woodward said as much himself.

Jose publicly said he wanted different signings when we got Fred.

Ole clearly stated a striker would be signed after Lukaku left.

Spending a lot of money doesn't equate to a manager being backed imo.
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There was no striker available and Ole has insisted he will only sign the right players.

Presumably he wanted Haaland. But the club did not wanted to deal with Raiola and a release clause.
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Ole doesn’t sign players.

The executive management signs players based on prioritised recommendations given by Ole’s staff.
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Ole has the final say. It is therefore his decision/ responsibility

posted on 20/1/20

Eight consecutive replies

No one can ever tell you that you aren’t tenacious, Rdd!

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
Eight consecutive replies

No one can ever tell you that you aren’t tenacious, Rdd!
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I assumed it was RDD

I guess he hasn’t received so many responses because I’m not the only one to have filtered his latest account.

posted on 20/1/20

I’m not the only one to have filtered his latest account.

.....

It is the only way to deal with his nonsense really.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
Eight consecutive replies

No one can ever tell you that you aren’t tenacious, Rdd!
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I assumed it was RDD

I guess he hasn’t received so many responses because I’m not the only one to have filtered his latest account.
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I can imagine him reading through this thread like a jaded schoolteacher marking a substandard essay, tutting and shaking his head waspishly, scribbling red-pen corrections in the margins while emptying another glass of wine.

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