301 Top flight wins in 391 games

comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Dortmund was another huge risk. Pep went to Bayern, another club where he could win the league without dropping his cigar.“

You need to factor in Bayern didn’t bring Guardiola in just to win the league though. They wanted to embed a style of play in their academy and first team that could have lasting change and benefits after he went. He got that job because of what he did at Barca B and then the main team with that, not just that he won trophies.

That’s exactly why his legacy is different in football circles rather than fan bases.
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That's Bayern's point of view, their playing style etc.

From Pep's POV it was the most no sweat job he could get to be honest.
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Only because you are assuming his perception of what success is aligns to yours. It doesn’t, no sweat and Guardiola aren’t terms that go together, regardless of trophy count.

Here is a question for you.

Would Juve appoint him given his wages and demands? They win the league almost very year anyway and Pep hasnt won the Champs League without Messi.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Dortmund was another huge risk. Pep went to Bayern, another club where he could win the league without dropping his cigar.“

You need to factor in Bayern didn’t bring Guardiola in just to win the league though. They wanted to embed a style of play in their academy and first team that could have lasting change and benefits after he went. He got that job because of what he did at Barca B and then the main team with that, not just that he won trophies.

That’s exactly why his legacy is different in football circles rather than fan bases.
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That's Bayern's point of view, their playing style etc.

From Pep's POV it was the most no sweat job he could get to be honest.
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Only because you are assuming his perception of what success is aligns to yours. It doesn’t, no sweat and Guardiola aren’t terms that go together, regardless of trophy count.
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I believe him when he says it’s the football first, and hopefully the trophies follow as a result

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Dortmund was another huge risk. Pep went to Bayern, another club where he could win the league without dropping his cigar.“

You need to factor in Bayern didn’t bring Guardiola in just to win the league though. They wanted to embed a style of play in their academy and first team that could have lasting change and benefits after he went. He got that job because of what he did at Barca B and then the main team with that, not just that he won trophies.

That’s exactly why his legacy is different in football circles rather than fan bases.
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That's Bayern's point of view, their playing style etc.

From Pep's POV it was the most no sweat job he could get to be honest.
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Only because you are assuming his perception of what success is aligns to yours. It doesn’t, no sweat and Guardiola aren’t terms that go together, regardless of trophy count.
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I believe him when he says it’s the football first, and hopefully the trophies follow as a result
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Anyone that doesn’t really hasn’t listened to
him, or understood the football they’ve been watching tbh.

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Here is a question for you.

Would Juve appoint him given his wages and demands? They win the league almost very year anyway and Pep hasnt won the Champs League without Messi.
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Just for the football he plays they would beg him to join. Italy actually needs Peps influence more thn anything

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Dortmund was another huge risk. Pep went to Bayern, another club where he could win the league without dropping his cigar.“

You need to factor in Bayern didn’t bring Guardiola in just to win the league though. They wanted to embed a style of play in their academy and first team that could have lasting change and benefits after he went. He got that job because of what he did at Barca B and then the main team with that, not just that he won trophies.

That’s exactly why his legacy is different in football circles rather than fan bases.
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That's Bayern's point of view, their playing style etc.

From Pep's POV it was the most no sweat job he could get to be honest.
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Only because you are assuming his perception of what success is aligns to yours. It doesn’t, no sweat and Guardiola aren’t terms that go together, regardless of trophy count.
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I'm sorry what?

Whose perception of what? You lost me there

Obvioulsy, I agree his perception may be different from mine but for the purposes of this discussion it doesn't matter what Pep's perception of success is. It only matters what our perception of success is since we're the ones judging him.

You made your point. I agreed with it and said that that's Bayern's POV. Looking at Pep, I struggle to think of an easier top job he could have taken. No easier top jobs in Italy, Spain or England.

And I’ll reiterate, you only think it’s an easy job in terms of his ability to win trophies, calling it no sweat, which in that context, it is.

For the purpose of this discussion, your or my perception of success is not the only thing matters, it’s the opposite and completely irrelevant. It’s the perception of the people that hire him and want to hire him that matters.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 29 minutes ago
And I’ll reiterate, you only think it’s an easy job in terms of his ability to win trophies, calling it no sweat, which in that context, it is.
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I didn't say it was an easy job.

I said it was the easiest job.

There's a difference. I think I also used the word relatively.



For the purpose of this discussion, your or my perception of success is not the only thing matters, it’s the opposite and completely irrelevant. It’s the perception of the people that hire him and want to hire him that matters.
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If my opinion is completely irrelevant then what are we doing on a football forum?

Strange comment. We're on a forum judging Pep's qualities. What does the opinion of those who hire him matter to an article on a football discussion forum? I don't rate managers because others rate them, I try to judge for myself.

West Ham wanted to hire Andy Carroll and bought him from Liverpool but that doesn't stop fans on a forum from discussing his merits. Same goes for any player or manager including Pep.

We’re not judging his qualities, we’re in a thread discussing where he would go next, so we’re discussing why clubs would be interested in him and which ones he would go to.

On the former, you’ve said about Bayern being easy and it is in terms of winning trophies. That’s not why he chose to go there though or why they wanted him. That’s why I initially commented about your perception of risk. It would have been far easier for him to go in and keep them playing the same way that had bagged them a treble, not fundamentally change their playing style.

It’s also why I guarantee he won’t go to PSG. Serie A holds no interest tactically for him at all. He’ll go to Italy and then back to La Masia.

Just on the trophy bit though, even though the clubs he has managed at are expected to win, his trophy return, particularly in percentage terms against competitions
entered, is incomparable to anyone else even for those individual clubs. So they’re getting a pretty good banker even if they’re thinking in those terms.

The actual trophy count is as much down to the players though, as I said before.