Does the English FA and the Ref Association even want VAR. Lets start there. We saw 2 bizzare incidents this weekend.
On saturday, the refs take 2 and a half minutes to decide that Ozil was not offside yet even anyone with poor vision can clearly see that he is not offside, probably they were trying to use the time to find something else to disallow the goal.
Then yesterday we saw absolutely NO evidence that Agueros front foot was further ahead than the last united defender. At best they were all level so VAR decides to draw a line on Aguero's armpit probably so that they can rule the goal out since they feared what would happen as De Gea had stopped playing after the whistle was blown. Same thing happened with Firminho's non-goal at the start of the season where VAR is forced to draw an embarrassing armpit line.
But lets forget VAR for a second, why has the Linesman flagged. Arent the NEW rules clear enough?
Are we that hard on refs to expect them to understand the new rules under which VAR operates. Are we asking too much of Refs?
Its tradition in England to respect officials and always give them the benefit of doubt but this season, their shambolic implementation of VAR, shocking levels of consistency and in some cases not understanding the laws of Football has been sickening to say the least.
I honestly think we have shown them enough patience and its time they show an improvement or new officials with the requisite skills are brought in.
Alternatively lets Bin VAR. The inconsistency is sickening now.
What to Do with VAR?
posted on 9/3/20
Doesn't help the issue when fans are selective about poor VAR decisions themselves. Most club's fans are only objecting/admitting to VAR decisions which have gone against them. People are happy enough to get the benefit of a poor decision but when they do, they won't admit the other team got robbed. This goes for managers too. Decision against them and VAR is wrong but decision for and they wanna start with the "It's subjective," crap (when though it was plain sight obvious).
It's all BS. Essentially just English football being deliberately difficult in VAR implementation. It's not an accident that this season here, has been an utter mess. The English have been anti VAR, chatting sh!t about how it'll ruin the game for years, fighting it's introduction. This season's debacle has been about FA refs purposely making a mess of it, in some pathetic last ditch effort to 'prove english football's point about VAR' and get FIFA to scrap it in UK. Thankfully, they've already come out and stuff us, it's here to stay. Fans here need to direct the anger at the FA and refs, NOT VAR. If a cowboy builder was making a hash of a job at your house, you wouldn't get mad at his bag of tools, you'd yell at the builder doing the p!ss poor job.
On a side note the offside rule currently is ridiculous, making this whole thing even worse. The rule should be defined by feet alone. If attacker's feet are not closer to the goaline than the last defender's, then he's onside, end of. If a defender is dumbass enough to be stood that high and square, then feck him because he shouldn't have been, that's why he got caught out and his team's conceded.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 10 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Ollie Crankshaw (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
It actually highlights the incompetence of refs in the EPL. Before VAR we could say that maybe they didn't have a clear view etc. Now that have multiple angles and replays and still get it wrong. So it is them that is the problem and should be made redundant or given cholera
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I was thinking the same that for so many years we have protected refs from criticism to maintain the sanctity of the game but what VAr has shown is we probably have sheit refs and they are being exposed weekly
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Irony is if they'd just use it properly, they could come up smelling of roses most every time. I don't think any fan will hold reversing his own incorrect call against a ref. That's what people bloody well WANT them doing. Big problem we have here is refs off the pitch are basically being asked to undermine their colleagues on it by overruling them.
posted on 9/3/20
VAR denied us another clear penalty yesterday and today decided to keep decision of awarding Leicester City a penalty that never was.
I honestly think VAR is being used for corruption. So many easy decisions being ignored all season.
posted on 9/3/20
https://twitter.com/MackenzieDeery/status/1237126871407624192
lol that is easy to overturn.
posted on 9/3/20
Yesterday ref books Fred for diving and we get no penalty that all ex refs have said was a clear penalty.
Today ref gives a penalty that never was and VAR allows it lol. The decisions are worse this season with VAR then without it seems.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yesterday ref books Fred for diving and we get no penalty that all ex refs have said was a clear penalty.
Today ref gives a penalty that never was and VAR allows it lol. The decisions are worse this season with VAR then without it seems.
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Exactly the myth that the FA wants to peddle to FIFA "It doesn't work here, look our decisions have been consistently worse and shocking since you said we had to."
posted on 9/3/20
Amazing that goal Liverpool scored vs Norwich City was allowed to stand. Similar to Everton goal at OT or Sheffield United goal vs Man Utd for clear push and a few seconds later they gave a freekick against Jones for breathing next to there player lol.
I honestly think none of the people responsible for VAR know the rules. Cahill early on in season does a last man foul and gets a yellow card lol. 2nd half Martial was rugby fouled in box, VAR checks something else as an excuse not to give a penalty. Greenwood against Southampton gets to ball first and Southampton player smashes Greenwood legs like a goalkick and it could easily be a red card but no penalty given lol.
posted on 9/3/20
Most of these decisions even VAR shouldn't have been needed but with it they still screw it up. Those decisions should have taken around 10 seconds with VAR to decide.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 22 minutes ago
Most of these decisions even VAR shouldn't have been needed but with it they still screw it up. Those decisions should have taken around 10 seconds with VAR to decide.
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And they would have done if it was being used without what's basically just rebellious sabotage. Personally I hope FIFA yanks the FA into line here. The only explanation for the shockers we've seen here this season, is deliberate misuse. So that's basically deliberate non compliance with the directive to implement VAR. What they SHOULD do is straight tell the FA to sort their sh!t out and clean it up NOW. Because any more of this BS next season and they risk England being excluded from WC 22 for deliberate sabotage/non compliance.
I guarantee that VAR decisions would clean right up, damn near overnight. Can actually see that happening, especially off the back of Brexit. What better way to "stick it to the Brits" for leaving the EU, than find an excuse to expel them from the next WC, for being typically English in the way they're dealing with this rule. Ie "But we're England so rules shouldn't have to apply to us." FA needs to be careful here because it's likely on way thinner ice than it reckons. Same applies to English fans when directing their VAR frustrations. Keep that blame squarely at the feet of the refs and FA. Don't blame FIFA or VAR. Just rude really.
posted on 10/3/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 12 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 22 minutes ago
Most of these decisions even VAR shouldn't have been needed but with it they still screw it up. Those decisions should have taken around 10 seconds with VAR to decide.
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And they would have done if it was being used without what's basically just rebellious sabotage. Personally I hope FIFA yanks the FA into line here. The only explanation for the shockers we've seen here this season, is deliberate misuse. So that's basically deliberate non compliance with the directive to implement VAR. What they SHOULD do is straight tell the FA to sort their sh!t out and clean it up NOW. Because any more of this BS next season and they risk England being excluded from WC 22 for deliberate sabotage/non compliance.
I guarantee that VAR decisions would clean right up, damn near overnight. Can actually see that happening, especially off the back of Brexit. What better way to "stick it to the Brits" for leaving the EU, than find an excuse to expel them from the next WC, for being typically English in the way they're dealing with this rule. Ie "But we're England so rules shouldn't have to apply to us." FA needs to be careful here because it's likely on way thinner ice than it reckons. Same applies to English fans when directing their VAR frustrations. Keep that blame squarely at the feet of the refs and FA. Don't blame FIFA or VAR. Just rude really.
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Seriously? I mean, seriously?