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Unluckiest Club in PL History

Spurs or Liverpool?

Don't really want to go back as far as the 80's so I will restrict this poll to the Premier League Era.

When the final whistle blew to end the CL final at the Estadio Wanda Metropolitano even I felt sorry for Spurs fans. That defeat did not feel like a start of better things, it was the culmination of a period that promised so much but ultimately delivered nothing.

The Spurs golden period, a run that included several Top 4 finishes, football that was deemed exciting and progressive and Levy lauded as a genius ultimately amounted to very little. In that period financially or in terms of trophies Spurs had achieved less than Arsenal despite what the media led you to believe.

On that very night, Liverpool came full circle and made its first step to becoming a Super Club again. Narrowly missing out on the PL title due to Pep and his brilliance, this was now the time for Liverpool to dominate the game just like the 80's.

In an era where their main rival is coached by the best manager of his generation, possibly the best ever, backed up by millions what Liverpool have achieved in the last 2 years is astonishing. Obviously they havent really made an impact in the domestic cups, possibly more to do with their approach to the competitions but have remained above their peers in the PL and CL for 2 seasons.

Then a pandemic sets in. We made jokes about it at first, some went on the defensive, some even suggested ridiculous alternatives against the rules about awarding them the title. What was not in doubt was the fact they 'deserved' it.

We will only know the full impacts of this disease once most of europe and the rest of the world flattens the curve. It could be months, a minimum of at least 6 in my opinion. Football may well continue as the greedy controllers of its purse will arm twist governments but it wont be football as we know it.

It will deny Liverpool that crowning moment of organic growth (as some of their fans seem to think) and winning it the right way. Never mind the fact that they have spent the most money of all the clubs that have not won the PL, and have actually outspent Arsenal, Blackburn and Leicester.

But the halt in momentum will do more damage in my opinion. Other clubs will reset and the playing field will be a different environment once we get rid of this virus. Just like any other natural disaster or war, things wont be the same when European football resumes.

I would go with Liverpool, unlucky sods for this kind of thing to happen in a season that they have done everything but win the title.

posted 6 days, 21 hours ago

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As I said 14 point swing after the rant (11 as Man U played 1 game in hand)
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But its about its about our form right? Not Uniteds? Our form was roughly the same pre rant and directly after. We the averaged more points per game. We can do nothing about how well united did.
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The rant also inspired Man United as they went on an excellent run with the exception of the back to back defeats to Liverpool and Fulham in March. As I have mentioned time and time again your good form came far too late in the season. Even if you won your remaining 11 games you would not have won the title.
You were top thoughout most of December so those dropped points were not as costly as the ones in January and February.
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Now you're reaching. So somehow the points we dropped in the 3 weeks before the rant weren't as costly as the month after, just cos the rant came in between them?
You have no basis that it inspired united. They went on runs like that every season.
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Well at the end of the day the points you lost in January and February made you go from being top to being 7 points behind with a game in hand! Gary Neville even said as soon as he and others heard the rant they were like "we got him" and that seemed to steer them on.
Like with Arsenal in 2007/2008 I would say that the Birmingham game at St Andrews with the Eduardo injury seemed to affect us (I'm not too sure why but it seemed like a huge moment and proved to be, if we won the game maybe things would have been different) we drew that game and drew a further 3 more, we went from being 5 points clear at the top to being 3 points behind, eventually, that was followed up by further defeats to Chelsea and Man United and we were 9 points behind and ended up finishing 4 points off the top.
So stop crying and celebrate the fact that Liverpool are now the best team in the world!
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So crying is offering an opinion that differs to you and presenting examples of why I have that opinion.

Ok.

posted 6 days, 20 hours ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/gary-neville-rafa-benitez-manchester-united-liverpool-facts-rant-alex-ferguson-a7992396.html

posted 6 days, 20 hours ago

Fully aware of the article. Means nothing though.

posted 6 days, 20 hours ago

Of course you would say that

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Of course you would say that
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Not really. If we’d been flying before the comments I’d take on the chin that what Rafa did had an impact. We’d been stuttering for a month before he said it. He then said it and we struggled the following few games in the exact same way we had done before.

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What about the 4 draws in 6 games just before his rant? How does that fit into your narrative?
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You were still top and looking good. But after his rant it you went from being top to 7 points behind.
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Because United won their games in hand.

We had a better points per game average after the rant.

We drew four of six games before the rant.

United were only 7 points behind due to playing 2 games less.

These are all facts.
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There was a 14 point swing from January 10th till early March (We'll say 11 points) as Man U played one of there game's in hand. You won 10 of your last 11 games when you were 7 points behind with Man U having a game in hand. By that time it was far too late. If you won those 3 draws after the rant you more than likely to on to win the league. That is facts!
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So why did we win 10 of our last 11 sir?

Did the power of Rafa's rant wear off?

How many games does a regular rant affect? I'd say 10-11 games.

What about a small rant? Probably affects 2-3 games.

A mega rant would probably relegate a team.

I mean, if Rafa had made his rant at the start of the season, my calculations suggest we would have escaped relegation on the final day of the season on goal difference.

This Arsenal49 dude is a genius with a crystal ball.

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What about the 4 draws in 6 games just before his rant? How does that fit into your narrative?
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You were still top and looking good. But after his rant it you went from being top to 7 points behind.
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Because United won their games in hand.

We had a better points per game average after the rant.

We drew four of six games before the rant.

United were only 7 points behind due to playing 2 games less.

These are all facts.
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There was a 14 point swing from January 10th till early March (We'll say 11 points) as Man U played one of there game's in hand. You won 10 of your last 11 games when you were 7 points behind with Man U having a game in hand. By that time it was far too late. If you won those 3 draws after the rant you more than likely to on to win the league. That is facts!
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So why did we win 10 of our last 11 sir?

Did the power of Rafa's rant wear off?

How many games does a regular rant affect? I'd say 10-11 games.

What about a small rant? Probably affects 2-3 games.

A mega rant would probably relegate a team.

I mean, if Rafa had made his rant at the start of the season, my calculations suggest we would have escaped relegation on the final day of the season on goal difference.

This Arsenal49 dude is a genius with a crystal ball.
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Rants aren't going to affect teams for a whole season unless they were a team down the bottom that weren't very good and rarely go on a good run.
Arsenal for example were not the same team after losing the 49 game unbeaten run in 2004/2005. We had 1 win from next 5 league games after that controversial defeat to Man United. We went on a good run from February till end of a the season but by that time we were already 10+ points off the top.
I know both scenarios are different but just illustrates that sometimes things such as rants or a setback can temporarily affect a team.
This isn't the case all the time but it certainly costed Liverpool and Arsenal in those seasons.

I know I am a genius mostly when it comes to snooker though.

posted 6 days, 5 hours ago



Comparing a managers comment to the players actually getting smashed by your biggest rival. Its nowhere near the same thing.

posted 6 days, 5 hours ago

Did you watch the game? We didn't get smashed. Man U should have had 3 players sent off that day! It was the most corrupt officiating ever ever. Mike Riley may as well have been wearing a Man U shirt that day.

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Did you watch the game? We didn't get smashed. Man U should have had 3 players sent off that day! It was the most corrupt officiating ever ever. Mike Riley may as well have been wearing a Man U shirt that day.
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Yeah, I remember the officiating was a joke but that's what I mean. They smashed you in that sense and it was your players it happened to so it makes sense that you lost a bit of form.

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