Over the past decade I have come more and more annoyed with people coming to the office when they have a cold or are not feeling well. They drag themselves to the office, and then work away. Why? I think there has been a culture of not calling in sick for light illnesses, because of the employer policies or pressure from colleagues, social lynching. My wife had issues at work for calling in sick 4 times in 6 months. She got a warning and with my help we appealed and she basically won. People dont call in sick because they either think they are some sort of hero for working when not feeling well, or because they are too busy, too much pressure to get shiiiit done, or because the employer is an arsenhole. If I have a cold, I stay home, not because I am a pansy but because I do not want to infect others. A cold is a virus, a rhinovirus, and you spread it like no other. Why do I want to do this? I dont, so I stay home, and I will work from home if I can. No need to take sick days if you can work with a bit of incovenience. But dont take your facking virus into the office.
I really hope that when this is over, the culture around calling in sick, or working from home changes. No one should come to the office if you are spreading germs, bacteria and viruses. Thats one lesson we should take from this. Because in general, Covid-19 feels like a cold or flu at first, I am sure people have gone to working thinking its a cold and spread Corona in the office. Think about it... its mental.
I have worked for good employers and caaaant employers, and its not worth working for diiiickheads. The working world is way too much cutthroat, all about the bottom line, maximising margins, reducing cost, reducing resources and not about employee well being. They say they do care, but their actions contradict. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor.
Luckily I am working for a great employer now. Lets hope the rest of the world changes for the better after this crap is over and people star to take responsibility to stay home when they are sick, whatever simple thing it is.
Not calling in sick
posted on 5/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 9 hours, 30 minutes ago
Someone has already used the phrase 'You missed the point'. Six feet is a fathom.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- To think he said I “missed the point” and he couldn’t “fathom” that one out! π€£π€£
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You do I realise I am Dutch and that English is not my first language? English is my second language. On top of that I speak Spanish and German. I also used to speak French and Yugoslavian but forgot due to not speaking it regularly.
You really are comparable to Trump supporters
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Wow! Someone’s a tad touchy!
I’m still waiting for you to explain where I “missed the point”!
Or did you miss my point and now blaming it on your lack of understanding of the English language?
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No one said the policy of a warning after 3 absences in 6 months is ridiculous. We were arguing that if those are genuine absences, its ridiculous to get a warning. Which you disagreed with and then go on to make a point which actually is in line with what we were saying. That the policy is to prevent people taking the piiiiss. And I understand you got to call in sick for 3 out of 5 years without getting a warning.
Which is the point we were making. So you missed the point completely. You disagreed and then agreed with the argument in one comment.
And mocking people over command of a second language is facking hilarius if you cannot even speak/write perfect English as a native speaker.
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You really are struggling with this!
Genuine or not 3 spells of absence in 6 months should lead to a review of someones timekeeping!
When you say genuine illness what do you class as genuine? Hopefully not a common cold?
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So say you had flu, the vomiting and diarrhoea due to food poisoning and then had to stay off to look after your partner/child, you think that it is normal to receive a warning? That's how it works in my place.
I don't think it is right one bit. Especially for hourly paid workers who have to take a hit on their wages, as well as the warning, for something beyond their control.
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I work for one of the world’s leading food manufacturers, so something like sicknesses and diarrhoea you would be off 3 or 4 days whilst you had it then a further 48 hrs to ensure you’re clear, this would fall under the 7 day self certification on full pay, then if I had to stay off to look after my partner I’d be encouraged to use some holiday leave.
Like I’ve said people do try it on and unfortunately with the 7 day self certification this is open to abuse hence why you have to some sort of controls, whether it be a warning or suspended from the sick scheme, personally I’d rather they handed out warnings and suspensions than loose the scheme of which I benefited from greatly during the issues I had after snapping my ankle.
With my company if someone had 3 self certified spells in 6 months they would probably have to have an attendance review, if they’ve had 3 separate issues like a couple of colds and bad back then they’ll be warned that they risk being suspended from the sick scheme if they don’t improve their attendance, but if it’s been the same issue like the old bad back they’ll be offered support through occupational health.
I really guess we’re poles apart how our companies operate, I really feel my company want to help the employees whereas yours don’t.
2 years ago we had one guy that was suffering with a bad knee he was on and off work both as self certified and on occasions with a Drs sick note, he was referred to occupational health who then involved HR, it became apparent that he needed keyhole surgery on his knee but had to wait 9 months for it, when the company weighed up the cost of paying him sick pay on and off for the 9 months plus his recuperation it worked out it would be far quicker and cheaper for them to pay privately for him to have it done, a win win for both the poor lad and the company.
Maybe I’m being a tad harsh with my opinion, but we work a 4 days on 5 days off, 5 days on 4 days off shift pattern which averages to working 14 days a month plus 28 days holiday a year and we still have people taking the piiiss putting a great sick scheme at risk.
posted on 5/4/20
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 9 hours, 30 minutes ago
Someone has already used the phrase 'You missed the point'. Six feet is a fathom.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- To think he said I “missed the point” and he couldn’t “fathom” that one out! π€£π€£
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You do I realise I am Dutch and that English is not my first language? English is my second language. On top of that I speak Spanish and German. I also used to speak French and Yugoslavian but forgot due to not speaking it regularly.
You really are comparable to Trump supporters
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Wow! Someone’s a tad touchy!
I’m still waiting for you to explain where I “missed the point”!
Or did you miss my point and now blaming it on your lack of understanding of the English language?
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No one said the policy of a warning after 3 absences in 6 months is ridiculous. We were arguing that if those are genuine absences, its ridiculous to get a warning. Which you disagreed with and then go on to make a point which actually is in line with what we were saying. That the policy is to prevent people taking the piiiiss. And I understand you got to call in sick for 3 out of 5 years without getting a warning.
Which is the point we were making. So you missed the point completely. You disagreed and then agreed with the argument in one comment.
And mocking people over command of a second language is facking hilarius if you cannot even speak/write perfect English as a native speaker.
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You really are struggling with this!
Genuine or not 3 spells of absence in 6 months should lead to a review of someones timekeeping!
When you say genuine illness what do you class as genuine? Hopefully not a common cold?
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So say you had flu, the vomiting and diarrhoea due to food poisoning and then had to stay off to look after your partner/child, you think that it is normal to receive a warning? That's how it works in my place.
I don't think it is right one bit. Especially for hourly paid workers who have to take a hit on their wages, as well as the warning, for something beyond their control.
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I work for one of the world’s leading food manufacturers, so something like sicknesses and diarrhoea you would be off 3 or 4 days whilst you had it then a further 48 hrs to ensure you’re clear, this would fall under the 7 day self certification on full pay, then if I had to stay off to look after my partner I’d be encouraged to use some holiday leave.
Like I’ve said people do try it on and unfortunately with the 7 day self certification this is open to abuse hence why you have to some sort of controls, whether it be a warning or suspended from the sick scheme, personally I’d rather they handed out warnings and suspensions than loose the scheme of which I benefited from greatly during the issues I had after snapping my ankle.
With my company if someone had 3 self certified spells in 6 months they would probably have to have an attendance review, if they’ve had 3 separate issues like a couple of colds and bad back then they’ll be warned that they risk being suspended from the sick scheme if they don’t improve their attendance, but if it’s been the same issue like the old bad back they’ll be offered support through occupational health.
I really guess we’re poles apart how our companies operate, I really feel my company want to help the employees whereas yours don’t.
2 years ago we had one guy that was suffering with a bad knee he was on and off work both as self certified and on occasions with a Drs sick note, he was referred to occupational health who then involved HR, it became apparent that he needed keyhole surgery on his knee but had to wait 9 months for it, when the company weighed up the cost of paying him sick pay on and off for the 9 months plus his recuperation it worked out it would be far quicker and cheaper for them to pay privately for him to have it done, a win win for both the poor lad and the company.
Maybe I’m being a tad harsh with my opinion, but we work a 4 days on 5 days off, 5 days on 4 days off shift pattern which averages to working 14 days a month plus 28 days holiday a year and we still have people taking the piiiss putting a great sick scheme at risk.
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Yes but we aren't talking about your job where you have a sick scheme.
posted on 5/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 9 hours, 30 minutes ago
Someone has already used the phrase 'You missed the point'. Six feet is a fathom.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- To think he said I “missed the point” and he couldn’t “fathom” that one out! π€£π€£
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You do I realise I am Dutch and that English is not my first language? English is my second language. On top of that I speak Spanish and German. I also used to speak French and Yugoslavian but forgot due to not speaking it regularly.
You really are comparable to Trump supporters
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Wow! Someone’s a tad touchy!
I’m still waiting for you to explain where I “missed the point”!
Or did you miss my point and now blaming it on your lack of understanding of the English language?
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No one said the policy of a warning after 3 absences in 6 months is ridiculous. We were arguing that if those are genuine absences, its ridiculous to get a warning. Which you disagreed with and then go on to make a point which actually is in line with what we were saying. That the policy is to prevent people taking the piiiiss. And I understand you got to call in sick for 3 out of 5 years without getting a warning.
Which is the point we were making. So you missed the point completely. You disagreed and then agreed with the argument in one comment.
And mocking people over command of a second language is facking hilarius if you cannot even speak/write perfect English as a native speaker.
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You really are struggling with this!
Genuine or not 3 spells of absence in 6 months should lead to a review of someones timekeeping!
When you say genuine illness what do you class as genuine? Hopefully not a common cold?
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So say you had flu, the vomiting and diarrhoea due to food poisoning and then had to stay off to look after your partner/child, you think that it is normal to receive a warning? That's how it works in my place.
I don't think it is right one bit. Especially for hourly paid workers who have to take a hit on their wages, as well as the warning, for something beyond their control.
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I work for one of the world’s leading food manufacturers, so something like sicknesses and diarrhoea you would be off 3 or 4 days whilst you had it then a further 48 hrs to ensure you’re clear, this would fall under the 7 day self certification on full pay, then if I had to stay off to look after my partner I’d be encouraged to use some holiday leave.
Like I’ve said people do try it on and unfortunately with the 7 day self certification this is open to abuse hence why you have to some sort of controls, whether it be a warning or suspended from the sick scheme, personally I’d rather they handed out warnings and suspensions than loose the scheme of which I benefited from greatly during the issues I had after snapping my ankle.
With my company if someone had 3 self certified spells in 6 months they would probably have to have an attendance review, if they’ve had 3 separate issues like a couple of colds and bad back then they’ll be warned that they risk being suspended from the sick scheme if they don’t improve their attendance, but if it’s been the same issue like the old bad back they’ll be offered support through occupational health.
I really guess we’re poles apart how our companies operate, I really feel my company want to help the employees whereas yours don’t.
2 years ago we had one guy that was suffering with a bad knee he was on and off work both as self certified and on occasions with a Drs sick note, he was referred to occupational health who then involved HR, it became apparent that he needed keyhole surgery on his knee but had to wait 9 months for it, when the company weighed up the cost of paying him sick pay on and off for the 9 months plus his recuperation it worked out it would be far quicker and cheaper for them to pay privately for him to have it done, a win win for both the poor lad and the company.
Maybe I’m being a tad harsh with my opinion, but we work a 4 days on 5 days off, 5 days on 4 days off shift pattern which averages to working 14 days a month plus 28 days holiday a year and we still have people taking the piiiss putting a great sick scheme at risk.
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Yes but we aren't talking about your job where you have a sick scheme.
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So I can’t have an opinion?
This article has been based on people’s experiences and opinions, i shared my experiences and given my opinion!
I did say we were poles apart in how we are treated by our companies but 3 or 4 times off work in 6 months unless you have a genuine recurring illness is excessive and questions should be asked “sick scheme” or not!
If it was your company how would you treat someone being off 3 or 4 times in 6 months?
posted on 5/4/20
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 9 hours, 30 minutes ago
Someone has already used the phrase 'You missed the point'. Six feet is a fathom.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- To think he said I “missed the point” and he couldn’t “fathom” that one out! π€£π€£
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do I realise I am Dutch and that English is not my first language? English is my second language. On top of that I speak Spanish and German. I also used to speak French and Yugoslavian but forgot due to not speaking it regularly.
You really are comparable to Trump supporters
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Wow! Someone’s a tad touchy!
I’m still waiting for you to explain where I “missed the point”!
Or did you miss my point and now blaming it on your lack of understanding of the English language?
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No one said the policy of a warning after 3 absences in 6 months is ridiculous. We were arguing that if those are genuine absences, its ridiculous to get a warning. Which you disagreed with and then go on to make a point which actually is in line with what we were saying. That the policy is to prevent people taking the piiiiss. And I understand you got to call in sick for 3 out of 5 years without getting a warning.
Which is the point we were making. So you missed the point completely. You disagreed and then agreed with the argument in one comment.
And mocking people over command of a second language is facking hilarius if you cannot even speak/write perfect English as a native speaker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really are struggling with this!
Genuine or not 3 spells of absence in 6 months should lead to a review of someones timekeeping!
When you say genuine illness what do you class as genuine? Hopefully not a common cold?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So say you had flu, the vomiting and diarrhoea due to food poisoning and then had to stay off to look after your partner/child, you think that it is normal to receive a warning? That's how it works in my place.
I don't think it is right one bit. Especially for hourly paid workers who have to take a hit on their wages, as well as the warning, for something beyond their control.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I work for one of the world’s leading food manufacturers, so something like sicknesses and diarrhoea you would be off 3 or 4 days whilst you had it then a further 48 hrs to ensure you’re clear, this would fall under the 7 day self certification on full pay, then if I had to stay off to look after my partner I’d be encouraged to use some holiday leave.
Like I’ve said people do try it on and unfortunately with the 7 day self certification this is open to abuse hence why you have to some sort of controls, whether it be a warning or suspended from the sick scheme, personally I’d rather they handed out warnings and suspensions than loose the scheme of which I benefited from greatly during the issues I had after snapping my ankle.
With my company if someone had 3 self certified spells in 6 months they would probably have to have an attendance review, if they’ve had 3 separate issues like a couple of colds and bad back then they’ll be warned that they risk being suspended from the sick scheme if they don’t improve their attendance, but if it’s been the same issue like the old bad back they’ll be offered support through occupational health.
I really guess we’re poles apart how our companies operate, I really feel my company want to help the employees whereas yours don’t.
2 years ago we had one guy that was suffering with a bad knee he was on and off work both as self certified and on occasions with a Drs sick note, he was referred to occupational health who then involved HR, it became apparent that he needed keyhole surgery on his knee but had to wait 9 months for it, when the company weighed up the cost of paying him sick pay on and off for the 9 months plus his recuperation it worked out it would be far quicker and cheaper for them to pay privately for him to have it done, a win win for both the poor lad and the company.
Maybe I’m being a tad harsh with my opinion, but we work a 4 days on 5 days off, 5 days on 4 days off shift pattern which averages to working 14 days a month plus 28 days holiday a year and we still have people taking the piiiss putting a great sick scheme at risk.
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Yes but we aren't talking about your job where you have a sick scheme.
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So I can’t have an opinion?
This article has been based on people’s experiences and opinions, i shared my experiences and given my opinion!
I did say we were poles apart in how we are treated by our companies but 3 or 4 times off work in 6 months unless you have a genuine recurring illness is excessive and questions should be asked “sick scheme” or not!
If it was your company how would you treat someone being off 3 or 4 times in 6 months?
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Wrf are you talking about you can't have an opinion? You're applying something different to what we are talking about.
If you mean you can't do that, then no as it's different.
If we had we you have in your job everybody would be happy with that and wouldn't be complaining about it. We don't.
posted on 5/4/20
If it were my company I'd treat it on a case by case basis and where people are taking the Ρiss, I'd give them the warning and where people have a legitimate reason, I wouldn't. I would also look for patterns, for example does it keep happening on a Monday, how many times does the same illness occur. I would then give advice and in some cases offer the company's help, in getting to the bottom of an illness.
As I said, case by case basis, not a straight warning for three periods of illness in six months.
posted on 5/4/20
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 37 minutes ago
I am really not struggling with anything, if you don't get my point, then you are a serial point misser.
En nu ben ik klaar met je. Dikke doei, ik heb geen zin om nog langer met mongolen te converseren. Je kan lekker in je eigen sop gaar koken.
Handoek.
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“And now I'm done with you. Goodbye, I don't feel like conversing with mongols any longer.”
So you’re not “struggling with anything” and yet instead of answering a simple question you choose to runaway.
All I want you to do, is define genuine sickness which you would have to call in sick for!
You seem to be “struggling” with that!
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Not running from anything, answered all your questions, hence I say you keep missing the point and you're a moron. And we have had a similar run in before. You really are thick as a plank. I cant be bothered to entertain you any longer.
posted on 5/4/20
Maybe I’m being a tad harsh with my opinion, but we work a 4 days on 5 days off, 5 days on 4 days off shift pattern which averages to working 14 days a month plus 28 days holiday a year and we still have people taking the piiiss putting a great sick scheme at risk.
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You took 3 years off out of a 5 year period with a sprain ankle
posted on 5/4/20
Wrf are you talking about you can't have an opinion? You're applying something different to what we are talking about.
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Exactly, and explained that to him, but he doesnt get it.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by RED666πΊ. (U6562)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 37 minutes ago
I am really not struggling with anything, if you don't get my point, then you are a serial point misser.
En nu ben ik klaar met je. Dikke doei, ik heb geen zin om nog langer met mongolen te converseren. Je kan lekker in je eigen sop gaar koken.
Handoek.
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“And now I'm done with you. Goodbye, I don't feel like conversing with mongols any longer.”
So you’re not “struggling with anything” and yet instead of answering a simple question you choose to runaway.
All I want you to do, is define genuine sickness which you would have to call in sick for!
You seem to be “struggling” with that!
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Not running from anything, answered all your questions, hence I say you keep missing the point and you're a moron. And we have had a similar run in before. You really are thick as a plank. I cant be bothered to entertain you any longer.
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Exactly, and explained that to him, but he doesnt get it.
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“And now I'm done with you. Goodbye, I don't feel like conversing with mongols any longer.”
Yet after saying that you returned!!π
“I cant be bothered to entertain you any longer”
And then you post two more comments! π
You really don’t know what you’re say do you?
Like, Saying that your wife “basically won” her appeal, how do you basically win?
You either win or lose!
What do you class as a genuine reason to be off work?
Unless your wife genuinely has some illness which i hope she’s well now!
But if it was colds and stuff i think her company were totally in the right for giving the lazy fat slob a warning for having 4 spells of absence in 6 months, people like that deserve everything they get.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
If it were my company I'd treat it on a case by case basis and where people are taking the Ρiss, I'd give them the warning and where people have a legitimate reason, I wouldn't. I would also look for patterns, for example does it keep happening on a Monday, how many times does the same illness occur. I would then give advice and in some cases offer the company's help, in getting to the bottom of an illness.
As I said, case by case basis, not a straight warning for three periods of illness in six months.
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So very much like my company then!
I believe that 3 or 4 spells in 6 months unless someone has an ongoing illness 9 times out of 10 are piiss takers.