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Proud of the club

I was livid and really dismayed by the decision to furlough our staff as was most fans. I am proud of my club for listening and changing course. Saying you were wrong is never easy but it’s a brave thing to do for anyone. The club has done the honourable thing and let’s hope that the guys in charge will think a little bit more about society and the fans rather than just pure economics when making decisions. This has been a PR disaster for the club and has undone a lot of the goodwill that we have earned from our playing performances, our manager, the way the club is run, the nurturing of local lads etc. Let’s hope that this U Turn helps the club to move on and regain some of the goodwill from both our fans and the wider footballing world.

posted on 8/4/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ Many people felt it was a bad moral decision an made theor feelings known.”

Exactly! But it never stopped the board from making the “bad moral decision” in the first place, just because the went back on the decision due to the backlash shouldn’t make anyone proud
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Yes because morals are not universal and they didn't know in advance what the reaction would be. It's easy for other teams to see that and then announce they will t do the same.

Their decision was always that staff jobes would be safe and staff would be kept on full pay. From a staff perspective that is a fantastic offer.

The fact that they listened to the backlash and changed tack is definitely a good thing. The only way to say otherwise is if you think they should have dug their heels and furloughed anyway.

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“In advance” you’re talking nonsense!

Liverpool were we’re morally wrong, which you’ve admitted too!

All this “jobs being safe” and “full wages” means nothing in the grand scheme of things Liverpool were more or less saying your jobs still there but we aren’t prepared to pay all your wages, we’ll get the tax payers to contribute!

posted on 8/4/20

comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ Many people felt it was a bad moral decision an made theor feelings known.”

Exactly! But it never stopped the board from making the “bad moral decision” in the first place, just because the went back on the decision due to the backlash shouldn’t make anyone proud
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes because morals are not universal and they didn't know in advance what the reaction would be. It's easy for other teams to see that and then announce they will t do the same.

Their decision was always that staff jobes would be safe and staff would be kept on full pay. From a staff perspective that is a fantastic offer.

The fact that they listened to the backlash and changed tack is definitely a good thing. The only way to say otherwise is if you think they should have dug their heels and furloughed anyway.

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“In advance” you’re talking nonsense!

Liverpool were we’re morally wrong, which you’ve admitted too!

All this “jobs being safe” and “full wages” means nothing in the grand scheme of things Liverpool were more or less saying your jobs still there but we aren’t prepared to pay all your wages, we’ll get the tax payers to contribute!
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Yes, in advance. It means you don't necessarily know how things will turn out. It is a relatively basic concept is I figured you would get it.

Maybe we have different morals, but I would say that in the grand scheme of things keeping people on full pay and with their job secure is the single most important factor so that people are safe and able to look after themselves. The fact that you dismiss this suggests that you are simply looking to try and score points and don't actually care about the people involved.

Liverpool were more or less saying you will get full pay and have your job kept at this difficult time. It isnt my fault if you dont care for such things.

posted on 9/4/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ Many people felt it was a bad moral decision an made theor feelings known.”

Exactly! But it never stopped the board from making the “bad moral decision” in the first place, just because the went back on the decision due to the backlash shouldn’t make anyone proud
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes because morals are not universal and they didn't know in advance what the reaction would be. It's easy for other teams to see that and then announce they will t do the same.

Their decision was always that staff jobes would be safe and staff would be kept on full pay. From a staff perspective that is a fantastic offer.

The fact that they listened to the backlash and changed tack is definitely a good thing. The only way to say otherwise is if you think they should have dug their heels and furloughed anyway.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
“In advance” you’re talking nonsense!

Liverpool were we’re morally wrong, which you’ve admitted too!

All this “jobs being safe” and “full wages” means nothing in the grand scheme of things Liverpool were more or less saying your jobs still there but we aren’t prepared to pay all your wages, we’ll get the tax payers to contribute!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, in advance. It means you don't necessarily know how things will turn out. It is a relatively basic concept is I figured you would get it.

Maybe we have different morals, but I would say that in the grand scheme of things keeping people on full pay and with their job secure is the single most important factor so that people are safe and able to look after themselves. The fact that you dismiss this suggests that you are simply looking to try and score points and don't actually care about the people involved.

Liverpool were more or less saying you will get full pay and have your job kept at this difficult time. It isnt my fault if you dont care for such things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn’t about scoring points and not caring!

This is about Liverpool FC who have shown that they can clearly afford to pay all their staff in full and keep their jobs secure, instead of going down the route of furlough like they did in the first place!

Where you not disappointed when they announced that they were furloughing the staff?

Or did you just start bleating on well their jobs are safe and they are getting payed in full.

Because many Liverpool fans didn’t share your sentiments and were very unhappy about it.

posted on 9/4/20

comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ Many people felt it was a bad moral decision an made theor feelings known.”

Exactly! But it never stopped the board from making the “bad moral decision” in the first place, just because the went back on the decision due to the backlash shouldn’t make anyone proud
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes because morals are not universal and they didn't know in advance what the reaction would be. It's easy for other teams to see that and then announce they will t do the same.

Their decision was always that staff jobes would be safe and staff would be kept on full pay. From a staff perspective that is a fantastic offer.

The fact that they listened to the backlash and changed tack is definitely a good thing. The only way to say otherwise is if you think they should have dug their heels and furloughed anyway.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
“In advance” you’re talking nonsense!

Liverpool were we’re morally wrong, which you’ve admitted too!

All this “jobs being safe” and “full wages” means nothing in the grand scheme of things Liverpool were more or less saying your jobs still there but we aren’t prepared to pay all your wages, we’ll get the tax payers to contribute!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, in advance. It means you don't necessarily know how things will turn out. It is a relatively basic concept is I figured you would get it.

Maybe we have different morals, but I would say that in the grand scheme of things keeping people on full pay and with their job secure is the single most important factor so that people are safe and able to look after themselves. The fact that you dismiss this suggests that you are simply looking to try and score points and don't actually care about the people involved.

Liverpool were more or less saying you will get full pay and have your job kept at this difficult time. It isnt my fault if you dont care for such things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn’t about scoring points and not caring!

This is about Liverpool FC who have shown that they can clearly afford to pay all their staff in full and keep their jobs secure, instead of going down the route of furlough like they did in the first place!

Where you not disappointed when they announced that they were furloughing the staff?

Or did you just start bleating on well their jobs are safe and they are getting payed in full.

Because many Liverpool fans didn’t share your sentiments and were very unhappy about it.

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I think it is interesting that you appear to have detailed information about the club. We don't know how long this situation will last. We don't know what the overall fallout will be. How long can Liverpool afford the current situation? I have no idea.

They can clearly afford it for the time being but as I said above, and you have ignored conveniently, we don't know if this has had any other impact. What of we get 6 months down the line, can they afford it then?

My concern at this time was for the staff. I know many people who have lost their jobs (some in my employer) and are now going to struggle because finding similarly paid jobs is next to I possible right now. The furlough programme was put in place to help keep as many people employed as possible. I was pleased that Liverpool committed to keeping pay at 100%. I also now pleased that they are still going to do this.

The priority for me was the staff, and so furlough or not, Liverpool looked after their staff by guaranteeing them full pay and securing their jobs.

Tell me, would you prefer a club to furlough or staff to lose their jobs? If this situation goes on long enough then those might be the two options.

posted on 9/4/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ Many people felt it was a bad moral decision an made theor feelings known.”

Exactly! But it never stopped the board from making the “bad moral decision” in the first place, just because the went back on the decision due to the backlash shouldn’t make anyone proud
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes because morals are not universal and they didn't know in advance what the reaction would be. It's easy for other teams to see that and then announce they will t do the same.

Their decision was always that staff jobes would be safe and staff would be kept on full pay. From a staff perspective that is a fantastic offer.

The fact that they listened to the backlash and changed tack is definitely a good thing. The only way to say otherwise is if you think they should have dug their heels and furloughed anyway.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
“In advance” you’re talking nonsense!

Liverpool were we’re morally wrong, which you’ve admitted too!

All this “jobs being safe” and “full wages” means nothing in the grand scheme of things Liverpool were more or less saying your jobs still there but we aren’t prepared to pay all your wages, we’ll get the tax payers to contribute!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, in advance. It means you don't necessarily know how things will turn out. It is a relatively basic concept is I figured you would get it.

Maybe we have different morals, but I would say that in the grand scheme of things keeping people on full pay and with their job secure is the single most important factor so that people are safe and able to look after themselves. The fact that you dismiss this suggests that you are simply looking to try and score points and don't actually care about the people involved.

Liverpool were more or less saying you will get full pay and have your job kept at this difficult time. It isnt my fault if you dont care for such things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn’t about scoring points and not caring!

This is about Liverpool FC who have shown that they can clearly afford to pay all their staff in full and keep their jobs secure, instead of going down the route of furlough like they did in the first place!

Where you not disappointed when they announced that they were furloughing the staff?

Or did you just start bleating on well their jobs are safe and they are getting payed in full.

Because many Liverpool fans didn’t share your sentiments and were very unhappy about it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it is interesting that you appear to have detailed information about the club. We don't know how long this situation will last. We don't know what the overall fallout will be. How long can Liverpool afford the current situation? I have no idea.

They can clearly afford it for the time being but as I said above, and you have ignored conveniently, we don't know if this has had any other impact. What of we get 6 months down the line, can they afford it then?

My concern at this time was for the staff. I know many people who have lost their jobs (some in my employer) and are now going to struggle because finding similarly paid jobs is next to I possible right now. The furlough programme was put in place to help keep as many people employed as possible. I was pleased that Liverpool committed to keeping pay at 100%. I also now pleased that they are still going to do this.

The priority for me was the staff, and so furlough or not, Liverpool looked after their staff by guaranteeing them full pay and securing their jobs.

Tell me, would you prefer a club to furlough or staff to lose their jobs? If this situation goes on long enough then those might be the two options.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What should happen is the clubs that can afford to pay the staff 100% of their should do so for as long as they can then apply furlough, if Liverpool had done that then Fair does but they didn’t!

I would of been equally annoyed about this had Utd done it but at least they are doing the right thing and relying on the tax payer to bail them out, if it gets to a point where they apply furlough then so be it.

posted on 9/4/20

comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 8 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ Many people felt it was a bad moral decision an made theor feelings known.”

Exactly! But it never stopped the board from making the “bad moral decision” in the first place, just because the went back on the decision due to the backlash shouldn’t make anyone proud
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes because morals are not universal and they didn't know in advance what the reaction would be. It's easy for other teams to see that and then announce they will t do the same.

Their decision was always that staff jobes would be safe and staff would be kept on full pay. From a staff perspective that is a fantastic offer.

The fact that they listened to the backlash and changed tack is definitely a good thing. The only way to say otherwise is if you think they should have dug their heels and furloughed anyway.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
“In advance” you’re talking nonsense!

Liverpool were we’re morally wrong, which you’ve admitted too!

All this “jobs being safe” and “full wages” means nothing in the grand scheme of things Liverpool were more or less saying your jobs still there but we aren’t prepared to pay all your wages, we’ll get the tax payers to contribute!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, in advance. It means you don't necessarily know how things will turn out. It is a relatively basic concept is I figured you would get it.

Maybe we have different morals, but I would say that in the grand scheme of things keeping people on full pay and with their job secure is the single most important factor so that people are safe and able to look after themselves. The fact that you dismiss this suggests that you are simply looking to try and score points and don't actually care about the people involved.

Liverpool were more or less saying you will get full pay and have your job kept at this difficult time. It isnt my fault if you dont care for such things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn’t about scoring points and not caring!

This is about Liverpool FC who have shown that they can clearly afford to pay all their staff in full and keep their jobs secure, instead of going down the route of furlough like they did in the first place!

Where you not disappointed when they announced that they were furloughing the staff?

Or did you just start bleating on well their jobs are safe and they are getting payed in full.

Because many Liverpool fans didn’t share your sentiments and were very unhappy about it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it is interesting that you appear to have detailed information about the club. We don't know how long this situation will last. We don't know what the overall fallout will be. How long can Liverpool afford the current situation? I have no idea.

They can clearly afford it for the time being but as I said above, and you have ignored conveniently, we don't know if this has had any other impact. What of we get 6 months down the line, can they afford it then?

My concern at this time was for the staff. I know many people who have lost their jobs (some in my employer) and are now going to struggle because finding similarly paid jobs is next to I possible right now. The furlough programme was put in place to help keep as many people employed as possible. I was pleased that Liverpool committed to keeping pay at 100%. I also now pleased that they are still going to do this.

The priority for me was the staff, and so furlough or not, Liverpool looked after their staff by guaranteeing them full pay and securing their jobs.

Tell me, would you prefer a club to furlough or staff to lose their jobs? If this situation goes on long enough then those might be the two options.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What should happen is the clubs that can afford to pay the staff 100% of their should do so for as long as they can then apply furlough, if Liverpool had done that then Fair does but they didn’t!

I would of been equally annoyed about this had Utd done it but at least they are doing the right thing and relying on the tax payer to bail them out, if it gets to a point where they apply furlough then so be it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Fair enough. So then the club starts getting in financial trouble and has to furlough staff at some point any way, but due to the financial straights the employees have to take the 80% furlough with no top up and so be out of pocket. At this point would it have been better to furlough earlier with top up so that you could keep your staff on full pay for longer?

Obviously this might not be the case with Liverpool but where does the line get drawn? As I said, i have no idea of Liverpool's cashflow situation although the PL had to give an advance to the clubs today so it cannot be rosy.

posted on 10/4/20

For me Liverpool took the easy option of going straight into furlough getting the tax payer to pay the 80%! they could of said let’s do this for 3 months and then review it, by then hopefully we’d have an idea what was happening and if needed then furlough which as it happens my company are doing.

Surely Liverpool could manage 3 months, do you think that they can?

I know that they backtracked and reversed their decision but only after so much criticism from a lot of people including many of their own fans and ex players including Carragher!( carragher may have a better idea of what they could and couldn’t afford to do)πŸ‘

Just like to say thank you for a very respectful debate. πŸ‘

posted on 10/4/20

comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
For me Liverpool took the easy option of going straight into furlough getting the tax payer to pay the 80%! they could of said let’s do this for 3 months and then review it, by then hopefully we’d have an idea what was happening and if needed then furlough which as it happens my company are doing.

Surely Liverpool could manage 3 months, do you think that they can?

I know that they backtracked and reversed their decision but only after so much criticism from a lot of people including many of their own fans and ex players including Carragher!( carragher may have a better idea of what they could and couldn’t afford to do)πŸ‘

Just like to say thank you for a very respectful debate. πŸ‘


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Yeah that's a fair view, but at the moment the furlough programme is only available for 3 months. Personally, I fully expect the programme to be extended if the situation continues but there are mo guarantees. So it could come to 3 months down the line and clubs then decide it is necessary bit they no longer have the option.

As you say, richer companies shouldn't have as much need as others but we dont know how this will pan out.

Thanks, same to you.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 19 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
For me Liverpool took the easy option of going straight into furlough getting the tax payer to pay the 80%! they could of said let’s do this for 3 months and then review it, by then hopefully we’d have an idea what was happening and if needed then furlough which as it happens my company are doing.

Surely Liverpool could manage 3 months, do you think that they can?

I know that they backtracked and reversed their decision but only after so much criticism from a lot of people including many of their own fans and ex players including Carragher!( carragher may have a better idea of what they could and couldn’t afford to do)πŸ‘

Just like to say thank you for a very respectful debate. πŸ‘


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Yeah that's a fair view, but at the moment the furlough programme is only available for 3 months. Personally, I fully expect the programme to be extended if the situation continues but there are mo guarantees. So it could come to 3 months down the line and clubs then decide it is necessary bit they no longer have the option.

As you say, richer companies shouldn't have as much need as others but we dont know how this will pan out.

Thanks, same to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the grand scheme of things no matter what our opinions are i just hope everything gets back to something like normal as soon as possible, with the least amount of deaths as possible.

Hope Kenny comes through this too.πŸ‘

posted on 11/4/20

comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 19 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by RED666πŸ‘Ί. (U6562)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
For me Liverpool took the easy option of going straight into furlough getting the tax payer to pay the 80%! they could of said let’s do this for 3 months and then review it, by then hopefully we’d have an idea what was happening and if needed then furlough which as it happens my company are doing.

Surely Liverpool could manage 3 months, do you think that they can?

I know that they backtracked and reversed their decision but only after so much criticism from a lot of people including many of their own fans and ex players including Carragher!( carragher may have a better idea of what they could and couldn’t afford to do)πŸ‘

Just like to say thank you for a very respectful debate. πŸ‘


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah that's a fair view, but at the moment the furlough programme is only available for 3 months. Personally, I fully expect the programme to be extended if the situation continues but there are mo guarantees. So it could come to 3 months down the line and clubs then decide it is necessary bit they no longer have the option.

As you say, richer companies shouldn't have as much need as others but we dont know how this will pan out.

Thanks, same to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the grand scheme of things no matter what our opinions are i just hope everything gets back to something like normal as soon as possible, with the least amount of deaths as possible.

Hope Kenny comes through this too.πŸ‘
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, it's such a pain. So bored at the moment.

Hopw you stay safe

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