Very unlikely the season will finish,

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
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I don’t get it

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
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He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 40 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
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Well it won`t happen, so I don`t get your point.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got pretty well every assumption right, I still stick with my original prediction, of no football in 2020.

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
Sigh... OK, I'll bite.

Your contention seems to be the fact that I believe I'm "telling the future" which is contradicted by the fact that we are past the [first] peak.

Firstly, I don't believe I'm telling the future. I think that's pretty clear from the number of times I used the word "potentially" in the post you've taken issue with. I believe I'm looking at the potential risk if lockdown measures are lifted too quickly. That's not the same as saying "this will definitely happen in this specific timeframe."

Secondly, yes, we're past the first peak of infections in this country. The reason for this is social distancing and nationwide lockdown. In other words, no-one is going near each other in the whole country unless they can't avoid it, so the virus has (relatively speaking) far less ability to spread. We will only continue to see new infection rates fall if social distancing continues - albeit the idea is to gradually loosen those restrictions at a safe, gradual pace that allows us to keep ahead of the infection rate, as it were.

Point being: the rate of infection correlates with the severity of lockdown/distancing measures. The tighter the lockdown, the lower the transmission rates, and vice versa. Likewise, the looser the lockdown, the higher the transmission rates go. Lockdown needs to be released gradually to ensure that transmission rates don't rise again to a point at which we see a second peak of new infections. Just because we're past the [first] peak doesn't mean we can just lift lockdown now and infection rates will continue to fall. That's not how it works, and if you think it is, then you're wrong.

Point #2 (which I note you haven't actually addressed) is that in a time of global pandemic, it seems sensible to take the lower-risk option at all times to ensure minimal risk of infection/loss of life. I think this is fairly uncontroversial as far as viewpoints go.

Now hosting a football match behind closed doors will involve anywhere from 100 to 500 people being at the stadium, depending on the size of the stadium and depending on whom you believe. Let's assume it's somewhere at the lower end of that scale - say, 200. Not impossible to imagine considering that club staff (playing squads, coaching staff) will account for about 50 on their own. And obviously TV cameras don't operate themselves.

So you've got 200 people in a relatively confined space - 200 people who may be asymptomatic carriers, who may need to be flown into the UK from abroad where infection rates may not be so controlled (this is already happening with players who went back to their home nations before lockdown was announced), who may have large households that may contain other asymptomatic carriers or vulnerable people, and so on.

That's 200 people that are at higher risk of exposure to the virus, who - and this is the key point here - didn't need to be. You can't enforce social distancing when two players go up for a header or mark each other at corners. You can't enforce social distancing when a physio comes on to sort out a player's calf cramp. You can't enforce social distancing when a player breaks a bone or gets a head injury and needs medical attention, potentially involving a trip to hospital for a scan.

The most you can do is ensure the players have regular tests and the staff have lots of PPE - but then, why should footballers/football staff/facking ball boys get tests and PPE when there's still thousands of key workers across the country who can't? That doesn't seem entirely appropriate to me. Maybe you disagree.

This is not the low-risk option, so I refer you back to point #2. In a time of global crisis, we should be taking the lowest-risk option, even if it means being OVER cautious, because the potential risk (i.e. further infections) is FAR more severe than the potential benefit (i.e. people like you and Don get to crack open a beer and watch a game of football).

Perhaps that's clearer to you now.
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I'm with you on this Hugs!

You cannot look at football or any elite sport in isolation. Sure they have the money and resources to create a safer environment BUT special treatment to these sectors will not be appreciated by all. If indeed we have a second peak, the continuation of elite sport in a controlled safer environment will not sit well with many. If matters get better and then worse as freedoms increase, if people are dying in large number again, people will not appreciate elite sport playing by its own rules whether its men/women running around a football/rugby pitch, men cycling through france or F1 drivers driving around a track.

The EPL are right to plan for return, most business will be doing so but what they can do will be framed within the Government advice, which will balance health with other issues. Im planning to go to Devon in August to see my family, but this may of may not be possible.

Germany has increased feedoms and seen an increase in infections and this is a country who have been on top of the situation far more than the UK.

The way ahead is to be cautious. Boris has confirmed as much in stating that while we are getting on top this is a time when we are also at significant risk.

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got pretty well every assumption right, I still stick with my original prediction, of no football in 2020.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're original prediction was that the English leagues wouldn't do what the Scottish league have done.

Don't go telling porkies now

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got pretty well every assumption right, I still stick with my original prediction, of no football in 2020.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're original prediction was that the English leagues wouldn't do what the Scottish league have done.

Don't go telling porkies now
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well the English leagues haven't done anything yet. And they won't relegate clubs like in Scotland when mathematically they can stay up. So which part of my prediction is wrong?

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got pretty well every assumption right, I still stick with my original prediction, of no football in 2020.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're original prediction was that the English leagues wouldn't do what the Scottish league have done.

Don't go telling porkies now
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well the English leagues haven't done anything yet. And they won't relegate clubs like in Scotland when mathematically they can stay up. So which part of my prediction is wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Heading that way mate.

And you know it.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got pretty well every assumption right, I still stick with my original prediction, of no football in 2020.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're original prediction was that the English leagues wouldn't do what the Scottish league have done.

Don't go telling porkies now
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well the English leagues haven't done anything yet. And they won't relegate clubs like in Scotland when mathematically they can stay up. So which part of my prediction is wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Heading that way mate.

And you know it.
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It's not heading that way at all. No way would clubs vote to relegate teams with 9/10 games to play.

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Remember this nonsense sandy?

"though they mathematically could have stayed up.

Partick Thistle have been relegated from the Championship after Dundee's change to a 'yes' vote passed the plans.

The Glasgow club were two points adrift at the bottom, but had a game in hand over Queen of the South in ninth.

Apparently they have not the money to appeal this shocking decision. This decision is going down a very slippery slope of basically awarding title and relegating sides on a vote.



This surely must never ever be allowed to happen in the English game."



Fud
----------------------------------------------------------------------



I don’t get it
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He put a thread up about the Scottish leagues voting on whether to finish the lower leagues early and dish out prize money and titles/relegation so they could plan for the next season and set precedent for the top league if we weren't able to complete the season in time.

Scoffed at it and said it would never be allowed to happen in England.

Got pretty much every other assumption wrong at the same time as well, but never mind
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got pretty well every assumption right, I still stick with my original prediction, of no football in 2020.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're original prediction was that the English leagues wouldn't do what the Scottish league have done.

Don't go telling porkies now
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well the English leagues haven't done anything yet. And they won't relegate clubs like in Scotland when mathematically they can stay up. So which part of my prediction is wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Heading that way mate.

And you know it.
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It's not heading that way at all. No way would clubs vote to relegate teams with 9/10 games to play.
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You wait.

I’ll be back to remind you when it happens