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Biggest big money flop currently in the PL?

Not going include anyone in their first season as it’s too soon to make judgement imo so won’t include the likes of Pepe, Ndombele etc. are safe for now. Forgive me if fees are slightly off.

Paul Pogba £89 million

While I’d disagree he’s been a total flop he hasn’t lived up to his price tag consistently enough or impacted enough big games. He has time yet to turn this around but so far he hasn’t lived up to his record fee.


Alexander Lacazette £52 million

Not a bad player by any means but hasn’t lived up to the fee imo. His record in the PL is a goal almost every 3 games. Probably hasn’t had the impact Arsenal would have hoped for.


Benjamin Mendy £52 million

Injuries have affected him but it hasn’t worked so far and looks a shadow of his former self. Still time for him but seems to have lost his explosiveness and not sure Pep has faith in him anymore.

Naby Keita £48 million

Has obvious ability but has never really got going due to injuries. Still think he will come good but has disappointed overall so far.


John Stones £47 million

Just not a top defender imo. A bit like Mendy it looks like the manager has lost faith.


Who do you think has been the biggest flop on the list or is there any others?

Criteria is this must be at least their 2nd season at their current club and obviously still at the club.






posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"

"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
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The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.

And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.

He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games

Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season

101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
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After joining Liverpool for the 18/19 season, Keita has made a total of 51 apps in all competitions. That blows everything else away. Basically all this info is erroneous, even the number of games used.


101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him

thats a flop, no arguments
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Yeah, if you use these imaginary stats.

The transfermarkt link is good. A link to all his injuries. I suggest you click on the stats tab and go from there.



It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
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Yeah, it's accurate if you don't use real stats. Anything can be accurate if you're plucking the numbers from thin air.



Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
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Again, yes, if you use made up stats. Admittedly there is an element of the post that I missed but overall its still virtually all hogwash.
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If the stats quoted previously are completely wrong, then my opinion changes greatly. It is what I am basing a lot of my opinion on as 44/101 is a lot of missed games whilst available for selection.
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That's just it. He wasn't available for selection as they didn't want to risk him as he kept getting injured. They didn't need to either as we kept winning.
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Sure - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I get that.
I still think that 44/101 even when taking that all into account, is an awful lot.

That plus that if he were sold now, I think it was you but could have been another Liverpool fan, then he would be deemed a flop (for whatever reason).

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"

"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.

And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.

He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he has missed 23 games

Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season

101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
--------
After joining Liverpool for the 18/19 season, Keita has made a total of 51 apps in all competitions. That blows everything else away. Basically all this info is erroneous, even the number of games used.


101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him

thats a flop, no arguments
-----
Yeah, if you use these imaginary stats.

The transfermarkt link is good. A link to all his injuries. I suggest you click on the stats tab and go from there.



It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
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Yeah, it's accurate if you don't use real stats. Anything can be accurate if you're plucking the numbers from thin air.



Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
------------------------------------------
Again, yes, if you use made up stats. Admittedly there is an element of the post that I missed but overall its still virtually all hogwash.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the stats quoted previously are completely wrong, then my opinion changes greatly. It is what I am basing a lot of my opinion on as 44/101 is a lot of missed games whilst available for selection.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's just it. He wasn't available for selection as they didn't want to risk him as he kept getting injured. They didn't need to either as we kept winning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I get that.
I still think that 44/101 even when taking that all into account, is an awful lot.

That plus that if he were sold now, I think it was you but could have been another Liverpool fan, then he would be deemed a flop (for whatever reason).
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Yes, I would deem him a flop as he kept getting injured. I still believe he has performed very well when he has actually played, however as I said on another thread, I'd rather have Fred, if Keita continues to keep getting injured, even if Fred isn't great.

What is this 44/101 anyhow? Are you saying he's played 44 games but been available for 101? If that's the case then that is absolute nonsense, I'm afraid.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

SatNav

According to transfermarkt, he's played 51 times and brought on 18 times and subbed off 22 times.

That makes a huge difference IMO.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

Yes, I would deem him a flop as he kept getting injured
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I have to agree that technically he is a flop as we signed him for big money and we are getting very little back. But it's for different reasons as compared to a typical flop who is available and plays many games but is just crap.

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
In that case both Pogba & Keita are flops.

Next season might completely change that but we don’t know what the future holds.

What we can all agree on is that Sanchez is the biggest flop 😭😭😭😭
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i don't really agree with most people's idea of a flop on here but i had forgotten about sanchez.

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"

"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.

And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.

He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he has missed 23 games

Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season

101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
--------
After joining Liverpool for the 18/19 season, Keita has made a total of 51 apps in all competitions. That blows everything else away. Basically all this info is erroneous, even the number of games used.


101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him

thats a flop, no arguments
-----
Yeah, if you use these imaginary stats.

The transfermarkt link is good. A link to all his injuries. I suggest you click on the stats tab and go from there.



It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
-------
Yeah, it's accurate if you don't use real stats. Anything can be accurate if you're plucking the numbers from thin air.



Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
------------------------------------------
Again, yes, if you use made up stats. Admittedly there is an element of the post that I missed but overall its still virtually all hogwash.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the stats quoted previously are completely wrong, then my opinion changes greatly. It is what I am basing a lot of my opinion on as 44/101 is a lot of missed games whilst available for selection.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's just it. He wasn't available for selection as they didn't want to risk him as he kept getting injured. They didn't need to either as we kept winning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I get that.
I still think that 44/101 even when taking that all into account, is an awful lot.

That plus that if he were sold now, I think it was you but could have been another Liverpool fan, then he would be deemed a flop (for whatever reason).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I would deem him a flop as he kept getting injured. I still believe he has performed very well when he has actually played, however as I said on another thread, I'd rather have Fred, if Keita continues to keep getting injured, even if Fred isn't great.

What is this 44/101 anyhow? Are you saying he's played 44 games but been available for 101? If that's the case then that is absolute nonsense, I'm afraid.
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It’s from some stats that someone else posted with a link. No it’s not that. It’s that Liverpool in his time have played 101 games and Keita was available for selection in 44 of those but not picked. Which as I say, if they’re accurate, then that’s incredibly high.

Anyway, a flop he would be if he left now. Granted, injury (which is clearly a big factor in his performance as a Liverpool player) is not anywhere near as bad as say Sanchez where it’s purely been that’s he’s just not good anymore; Torres MkII

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
In that case both Pogba & Keita are flops.

Next season might completely change that but we don’t know what the future holds.

What we can all agree on is that Sanchez is the biggest flop 😭😭😭😭
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i don't really agree with most people's idea of a flop on here but i had forgotten about sanchez.
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Yeah I know what you mean, the word has harsh implications and truly the only person that this 100% applies to is our man Sanchez

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"

"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.

And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.

He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he has missed 23 games

Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season

101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
--------
After joining Liverpool for the 18/19 season, Keita has made a total of 51 apps in all competitions. That blows everything else away. Basically all this info is erroneous, even the number of games used.


101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him

thats a flop, no arguments
-----
Yeah, if you use these imaginary stats.

The transfermarkt link is good. A link to all his injuries. I suggest you click on the stats tab and go from there.



It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
-------
Yeah, it's accurate if you don't use real stats. Anything can be accurate if you're plucking the numbers from thin air.



Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
------------------------------------------
Again, yes, if you use made up stats. Admittedly there is an element of the post that I missed but overall its still virtually all hogwash.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the stats quoted previously are completely wrong, then my opinion changes greatly. It is what I am basing a lot of my opinion on as 44/101 is a lot of missed games whilst available for selection.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's just it. He wasn't available for selection as they didn't want to risk him as he kept getting injured. They didn't need to either as we kept winning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I get that.
I still think that 44/101 even when taking that all into account, is an awful lot.

That plus that if he were sold now, I think it was you but could have been another Liverpool fan, then he would be deemed a flop (for whatever reason).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I would deem him a flop as he kept getting injured. I still believe he has performed very well when he has actually played, however as I said on another thread, I'd rather have Fred, if Keita continues to keep getting injured, even if Fred isn't great.

What is this 44/101 anyhow? Are you saying he's played 44 games but been available for 101? If that's the case then that is absolute nonsense, I'm afraid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s from some stats that someone else posted with a link. No it’s not that. It’s that Liverpool in his time have played 101 games and Keita was available for selection in 44 of those but not picked. Which as I say, if they’re accurate, then that’s incredibly high.

Anyway, a flop he would be if he left now. Granted, injury (which is clearly a big factor in his performance as a Liverpool player) is not anywhere near as bad as say Sanchez where it’s purely been that’s he’s just not good anymore; Torres MkII
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Yeah, that's also incorrect. Can you post a link to those stats?

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes, I would deem him a flop as he kept getting injured
-----
I have to agree that technically he is a flop as we signed him for big money and we are getting very little back. But it's for different reasons as compared to a typical flop who is available and plays many games but is just crap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This I agree with. Injuries are not entirely the players’ fault so it is a little harsh but still a ‘flop’

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"

"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.

And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.

He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he has missed 23 games

Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season

101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
--------
After joining Liverpool for the 18/19 season, Keita has made a total of 51 apps in all competitions. That blows everything else away. Basically all this info is erroneous, even the number of games used.


101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him

thats a flop, no arguments
-----
Yeah, if you use these imaginary stats.

The transfermarkt link is good. A link to all his injuries. I suggest you click on the stats tab and go from there.



It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
-------
Yeah, it's accurate if you don't use real stats. Anything can be accurate if you're plucking the numbers from thin air.



Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
------------------------------------------
Again, yes, if you use made up stats. Admittedly there is an element of the post that I missed but overall its still virtually all hogwash.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the stats quoted previously are completely wrong, then my opinion changes greatly. It is what I am basing a lot of my opinion on as 44/101 is a lot of missed games whilst available for selection.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's just it. He wasn't available for selection as they didn't want to risk him as he kept getting injured. They didn't need to either as we kept winning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I get that.
I still think that 44/101 even when taking that all into account, is an awful lot.

That plus that if he were sold now, I think it was you but could have been another Liverpool fan, then he would be deemed a flop (for whatever reason).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I would deem him a flop as he kept getting injured. I still believe he has performed very well when he has actually played, however as I said on another thread, I'd rather have Fred, if Keita continues to keep getting injured, even if Fred isn't great.

What is this 44/101 anyhow? Are you saying he's played 44 games but been available for 101? If that's the case then that is absolute nonsense, I'm afraid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s from some stats that someone else posted with a link. No it’s not that. It’s that Liverpool in his time have played 101 games and Keita was available for selection in 44 of those but not picked. Which as I say, if they’re accurate, then that’s incredibly high.

Anyway, a flop he would be if he left now. Granted, injury (which is clearly a big factor in his performance as a Liverpool player) is not anywhere near as bad as say Sanchez where it’s purely been that’s he’s just not good anymore; Torres MkII
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Yeah, that's also incorrect. Can you post a link to those stats?
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Somewhere in this thread. Feel free to look for it yourself.

I didn’t post them, someone else did

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