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Financial Hit from Covid Crisis

SO its looks probable that the EPL will play to a conclusion over the summer, but behind closed doors.

Best part of a quarter of a season.

Many have written off the financial impact of this the EPL clubs. This is a mistake.

In terms of TV money, who knows whether the clubs are expected to pay back the money for the rest of the season which is likely to be free to air. Estimated at £370m - about £18m per club.

As for Matchday revenue, if you take the big clubs then you are looking at £3-£4m per game. Spurs had 5 home hames left so thats £15m - £20m lost for this bit of the season alone. Smaller clubs probably average about half this.

If you roll that in to just half of next season, then its say 10 games each behind closed doors. Thats another £15 - £40m lost, depending on the size of the club.

The biggest issue being that usually clubs are selliong/sold their STs by now. 10s of millions in the bank to pay wages etc. Cashflow will be fecked until they strat to get fans in. This will probably require huge loans, so another cost to clubs to bridge the financial gap.

In terms of TV money, a lot will depend on the TV companies. Will they be charging full whack subscribers next season (Sky Sports / BT). If not will they be paying out the full money to clubs?

Then there is sponsors. Will they get their moneys worth from a season BCD, with no access to the stadium etc or other marketing opportunities?

Then there is commercial revenues. Shirt sales will take a massive hit. Always a huge fanfare when a new kit is out. Sure people will buy them but it will be down on usual levels for sure. Not least because of the likely recession.

All the big clubs will take a hit in the region of £70-£100m i think. Possibly more whether sponsors TV companies etc look to get proper value.

This will have a massive impact on transfers etc. Quietest summer window ever. Lots of loans and short term deals i think. Might favour the Oil/state funded clubs who have deep endless pockets.

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 28 minutes ago
There’s a lot in that post that’s plain wrong.

As SgtWilko posted above, things have been done differently in other countries, with fans owning protected stakes in clubs, the control of ticket prices, clubs paying for fans’ away travel, safe standing, the football associations having control over fixture schedules, etc.

And some clubs make massive profits. Mine is one. The Glazers have taken £1bn out of Manchester United since they took charge.

And as for the globalisation of the game, the PL has *aggressively* gone out to court and develop. It hasn’t been thrusted on the English game. It was a choice and a strategy.

Some clubs’ season ticket prices have doubled in real terms since the PL was established. Doubled. And this whilst revenue from other streams has gone through the roof.

How can you defend that?
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Your club paved the way. Man Utd exploited the creation of the EPL way before anyone else really got their head around it and this unpinned their dominance. Those first 5-10 years Utd won the league 8 times out of 10.

As for the Glazers, they are pretty unique in their business model, effectively putting nothing of their own into the club to buy it, just borrowing against future revenue. That's not a widespread EPL disease and it seems like your discontent with how they have operated informs your very generalised judgement about the EPL as a whole.

Ticket prices are simply a case of supply vs demand. Yes in real terms they may have doubled, so has the cost of a pint and a big mac. Fact is you are paying for a market leading product in top class arenas. People want to see it and the stadiums are full (ok, may be not City's)

I agree that clubs could keep prices down to a degree but it is a highly competitive market place and if United dropped prices, what would change? Attendance? No. Revenue? Yes it would fall. and with less money to spend what then when your team start to fall short? The demand for better players, more money spent in the transfer market !

People use the german league as an example but really, the financial power of Bayern is so great. They operate in a league which is financially far less competitive. Dortmund posted revenues of Euro 370m and this is half of bayerns. They totally dominate this league. Its entertaining like the EPL but it is far less competitive and far more predictable.

I am not sure what you are wishing for? This is a global market place. In global terms, every league wants what we have. We have the best product and we have got it in to the market place in the best way. If we didnt then the EPL would be an inferior thing, less popular, less competitive. Like other leagues we'd lose our talent abroad

The dynamic would change massively and a good compariosn is the Italian league. Hugely popular in the 80s / 90s, then lengthy period of decline, poor attendances, ageing crumbling grounds, declining quality.
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Great post.

comment by sandy (U20567)

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
Any money that I decide to spend on football in the coming 12 months will be directed at grassroots and lower league clubs.

I don’t want to hear any of the PL clubs bleating.

They’ve rinsed fans for years, overpaid players in the extreme, agreed to throw millions upon millions after agents disinterested in the game and reinvested peanuts in community clubs and grassroots football.

Their little cabal has done its best to hoover up every penny in the sport and ruin the game, and if PL owners end up on their knees, they can go fack themselves as far as I’m concerned.
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Premier league has ruined the gameWhat bitter, negative rubbish!
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Yep, laughable.
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Actually, to be fair I was applauding the comment around focusing on grass roots football. Whatever you opinions, they will need it more than anyone. My local team, Chatham Town, could do with as much help as possible. They are about 3 or 4 divisions down from the NL and rely so much on matchday gates, functions and events etc. They recently installed a 4g pitch which was a great money maker for them as they can host more local cup finals etc. Clubs like this will struggle but seem to be forgotten about. I go watch them a few times to help support them. Helps you can have a beer at the side of the pitch

I wasn't applauding the overall comment, just the supporting grass roots. Don't care the reason why.

Knew GT would be all over this though. Jumping between articles banging the same drum.

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GT always knows best.
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Have you responded with your link that way more scientists think it's too early to ease restrictions yet? And on most things over the last few weeks, I think we can both agree I have been right far more than you.
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https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-on-when-to-ease-the-lockdown-r

Now where`s your one that says Scientists say lockdown should be lifted?
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so you have shown me one from Scotland from May 7th. I'll show you every other country that is loosening lockdown restrictions... you said there were more than said lockdown shouldn't end than should.. .i would like evidence of that please. Not one person.

I'll wait....
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It`s not just one, there are a varity of scientists commenting on that paper.

Still awaiting your scientists that say lifting lockdown is fine. You haven`t posted it yet.


posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
Any money that I decide to spend on football in the coming 12 months will be directed at grassroots and lower league clubs.

I don’t want to hear any of the PL clubs bleating.

They’ve rinsed fans for years, overpaid players in the extreme, agreed to throw millions upon millions after agents disinterested in the game and reinvested peanuts in community clubs and grassroots football.

Their little cabal has done its best to hoover up every penny in the sport and ruin the game, and if PL owners end up on their knees, they can go fack themselves as far as I’m concerned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Premier league has ruined the gameWhat bitter, negative rubbish!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep, laughable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, to be fair I was applauding the comment around focusing on grass roots football. Whatever you opinions, they will need it more than anyone. My local team, Chatham Town, could do with as much help as possible. They are about 3 or 4 divisions down from the NL and rely so much on matchday gates, functions and events etc. They recently installed a 4g pitch which was a great money maker for them as they can host more local cup finals etc. Clubs like this will struggle but seem to be forgotten about. I go watch them a few times to help support them. Helps you can have a beer at the side of the pitch

I wasn't applauding the overall comment, just the supporting grass roots. Don't care the reason why.

Knew GT would be all over this though. Jumping between articles banging the same drum.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

GT always knows best.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Have you responded with your link that way more scientists think it's too early to ease restrictions yet? And on most things over the last few weeks, I think we can both agree I have been right far more than you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-on-when-to-ease-the-lockdown-r

Now where`s your one that says Scientists say lockdown should be lifted?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

so you have shown me one from Scotland from May 7th. I'll show you every other country that is loosening lockdown restrictions... you said there were more than said lockdown shouldn't end than should.. .i would like evidence of that please. Not one person.

I'll wait....
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It`s not just one, there are a varity of scientists commenting on that paper.

Still awaiting your scientists that say lifting lockdown is fine. You haven`t posted it yet.



----------------------------------------------------------------------

To start with I never said lifting lockdown was fine. I said that easing restrictions was. And I simply need to point to every country that has now eased restrictions in order to prove my point. On one post you say that we should be listening to scientific advise. On the next you say no restrictions should be lifted, despite those same scientists/ experts saying that it is now time to do that. You're all over the place.

comment by sandy (U20567)

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
Any money that I decide to spend on football in the coming 12 months will be directed at grassroots and lower league clubs.

I don’t want to hear any of the PL clubs bleating.

They’ve rinsed fans for years, overpaid players in the extreme, agreed to throw millions upon millions after agents disinterested in the game and reinvested peanuts in community clubs and grassroots football.

Their little cabal has done its best to hoover up every penny in the sport and ruin the game, and if PL owners end up on their knees, they can go fack themselves as far as I’m concerned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Premier league has ruined the gameWhat bitter, negative rubbish!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep, laughable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, to be fair I was applauding the comment around focusing on grass roots football. Whatever you opinions, they will need it more than anyone. My local team, Chatham Town, could do with as much help as possible. They are about 3 or 4 divisions down from the NL and rely so much on matchday gates, functions and events etc. They recently installed a 4g pitch which was a great money maker for them as they can host more local cup finals etc. Clubs like this will struggle but seem to be forgotten about. I go watch them a few times to help support them. Helps you can have a beer at the side of the pitch

I wasn't applauding the overall comment, just the supporting grass roots. Don't care the reason why.

Knew GT would be all over this though. Jumping between articles banging the same drum.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

GT always knows best.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Have you responded with your link that way more scientists think it's too early to ease restrictions yet? And on most things over the last few weeks, I think we can both agree I have been right far more than you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-on-when-to-ease-the-lockdown-r

Now where`s your one that says Scientists say lockdown should be lifted?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

so you have shown me one from Scotland from May 7th. I'll show you every other country that is loosening lockdown restrictions... you said there were more than said lockdown shouldn't end than should.. .i would like evidence of that please. Not one person.

I'll wait....
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It`s not just one, there are a varity of scientists commenting on that paper.

Still awaiting your scientists that say lifting lockdown is fine. You haven`t posted it yet.



----------------------------------------------------------------------

To start with I never said lifting lockdown was fine. I said that easing restrictions was. And I simply need to point to every country that has now eased restrictions in order to prove my point. On one post you say that we should be listening to scientific advise. On the next you say no restrictions should be lifted, despite those same scientists/ experts saying that it is now time to do that. You're all over the place.
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You still have not given me any scientist in this country that said lifting lockdown is OK. I suspect it is because you cannot.

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
Any money that I decide to spend on football in the coming 12 months will be directed at grassroots and lower league clubs.

I don’t want to hear any of the PL clubs bleating.

They’ve rinsed fans for years, overpaid players in the extreme, agreed to throw millions upon millions after agents disinterested in the game and reinvested peanuts in community clubs and grassroots football.

Their little cabal has done its best to hoover up every penny in the sport and ruin the game, and if PL owners end up on their knees, they can go fack themselves as far as I’m concerned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Premier league has ruined the gameWhat bitter, negative rubbish!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep, laughable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, to be fair I was applauding the comment around focusing on grass roots football. Whatever you opinions, they will need it more than anyone. My local team, Chatham Town, could do with as much help as possible. They are about 3 or 4 divisions down from the NL and rely so much on matchday gates, functions and events etc. They recently installed a 4g pitch which was a great money maker for them as they can host more local cup finals etc. Clubs like this will struggle but seem to be forgotten about. I go watch them a few times to help support them. Helps you can have a beer at the side of the pitch

I wasn't applauding the overall comment, just the supporting grass roots. Don't care the reason why.

Knew GT would be all over this though. Jumping between articles banging the same drum.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

GT always knows best.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Have you responded with your link that way more scientists think it's too early to ease restrictions yet? And on most things over the last few weeks, I think we can both agree I have been right far more than you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-on-when-to-ease-the-lockdown-r

Now where`s your one that says Scientists say lockdown should be lifted?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

so you have shown me one from Scotland from May 7th. I'll show you every other country that is loosening lockdown restrictions... you said there were more than said lockdown shouldn't end than should.. .i would like evidence of that please. Not one person.

I'll wait....
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It`s not just one, there are a varity of scientists commenting on that paper.

Still awaiting your scientists that say lifting lockdown is fine. You haven`t posted it yet.



----------------------------------------------------------------------

To start with I never said lifting lockdown was fine. I said that easing restrictions was. And I simply need to point to every country that has now eased restrictions in order to prove my point. On one post you say that we should be listening to scientific advise. On the next you say no restrictions should be lifted, despite those same scientists/ experts saying that it is now time to do that. You're all over the place.
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You still have not given me any scientist in this country that said lifting lockdown is OK. I suspect it is because you cannot.


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I never said that lifting lockdown is ok, so why would I find a scientist that has said that? I am happy to debate you sandy, but if you lie about what I have said, then what is the point?

comment by Bales (U22081)

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

To start with I never said lifting lockdown was fine. I said that easing restrictions was.

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What's the difference?

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
To start with I never said lifting lockdown was fine. I said that easing restrictions was.

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What's the difference?
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Lifting lockdown suggests people are able to do what they want. Easing restrictions is what we have in place ie one other person from outside your house etc.

comment by Bales (U22081)

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

Doesn't sound like much of a difference to me.

You can't ease restrictions without lifting lockdown to some extent.

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 24 minutes ago
Doesn't sound like much of a difference to me.

You can't ease restrictions without lifting lockdown to some extent.
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To some extent. But easing restrictions and lifting lockdown are 100% different things which is why I chose my words carefully.

comment by Bales (U22081)

posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago

No one was suggesting lifting lockdown 100%. That's silly.

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