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How long can football last without

supporters going through the turnstiles. The lower league sides I suspect not very long, certainly I would not suspect a whole season without paying spectators.

So the question is how and when do we get paying fans back into grounds. I reckon next season could see a complete blank, no fans, which although it will hurt the Prem clubs, probably will not see any folding. Same cannot be said for say clubs like Accrington, Crawley etc, who rely heavily on matchday revenue.

So when does everybody expect to see Prem grounds full again, and will lower league clubs be allowed to have spectators earlier, but with reduced attendees.

Going to be very interesting to see how this goes.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted 1 week ago

comment by *(kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 35 minutes ago
One step at a time. First get the games going and then allow a small percentage of fans with social distancing with a gradual increase but not expecting even 50% full until spring 2021.
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posted 1 week ago

The PL will survive without fans due to the TV money, possible even the Championship.

Lower than that is a problem, cant see how many will survive at all without handouts from the Gov/PL/FA.

No point in saying they will get increased TV money, if the majority of the top 2 leagues are broadcast live because there are no fans, who is going to watch a League 2 game? It will be Football overkill.

posted 6 days, 23 hours ago

comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
All clubs can last without fans. They will just need to act prudently and adjust their outgoings accordingly like any business affected by the pandemic.

I do understand this is difficult for most owners of football clubs, as they all seem to want to live beyond their means.
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Clueless

posted 6 days, 23 hours ago

Are Spurs or other clubs selling Season Tickets for next season atm, anyone likely to buy one?

posted 6 days, 22 hours ago

comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
Are Spurs or other clubs selling Season Tickets for next season atm, anyone likely to buy one?
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I’ve been offered credit for the remaining home games this season or I can get refunded

The credit can be used to reduce the price of next season’s season ticket

They won’t be sorting next season’s tickets until things improve

comment by sandy (U20567)

posted 6 days, 21 hours ago

comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
Are Spurs or other clubs selling Season Tickets for next season atm, anyone likely to buy one?
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I’ve been offered credit for the remaining home games this season or I can get refunded

The credit can be used to reduce the price of next season’s season ticket

They won’t be sorting next season’s tickets until things improve
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I have been offered all the money back on my tickets I purchased for four of the last five home games, and they said it should be back within my account in the next two or three weeks.

As you say Hounslow, they cannot really sort out the season tickets until they know for sure what is happening. This is going to be one big clusterfeck. Although I suspect there will be no supporters back next season either.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)

posted 6 days, 21 hours ago

If the stadiums are going to be empty or partly empty for a portion of next season then I'd imagine the lower league clubs would be looking to get cameras in and charge ppv for their games.

It won't replace gate receipts and all the associated sales benefits but it would in some way monetise their games. So if a team normally gets a 5k gate and can only let in 1k people, theoretically you've got another 4k people who want to watch the game and might be prepared to pay for coverage. Maybe even more if the away fans can buy the game but wouldn't necessarily travel to an away game.

Lower league teams are certainly going to have to be inventive to stay afloat.

comment by sandy (U20567)

posted 6 days, 21 hours ago

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 9 minutes ago
If the stadiums are going to be empty or partly empty for a portion of next season then I'd imagine the lower league clubs would be looking to get cameras in and charge ppv for their games.

It won't replace gate receipts and all the associated sales benefits but it would in some way monetise their games. So if a team normally gets a 5k gate and can only let in 1k people, theoretically you've got another 4k people who want to watch the game and might be prepared to pay for coverage. Maybe even more if the away fans can buy the game but wouldn't necessarily travel to an away game.

Lower league teams are certainly going to have to be inventive to stay afloat.


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I would have thought it would have been far to expensive to set up ppv for lower league clubs that barely get three or four thousand through the gates.

posted 6 days, 21 hours ago

comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
All clubs can last without fans. They will just need to act prudently and adjust their outgoings accordingly like any business affected by the pandemic.

I do understand this is difficult for most owners of football clubs, as they all seem to want to live beyond their means.
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Clueless
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Erm actually no mate. Football is a business. I own multiple businesses. So I kind of know what is happening in terms of re-adjusting to the present climate.

Businesses that live hand to mouth and have one main revenue stream and operate with wages as a % of sales north of 60% are quite simply asking for trouble at the best of times. Let alone during a global pandemic. To be perfectly honest in normal businesses anything north of 30% w%sales would be mismanagement for me but hey ho.

I’m not saying it won’t be exceptionally difficult for a lot of clubs (especially lower than the top flight) as they have been mismanaged financially for decades. But some clubs (Shrewsbury a good example) are managed in a financially astute manner and as a consequence can adjust their outgoings / players contracts accordingly, which ultimately will happen accross the market place too (otherwise clubs will indeed go to the wall).

The clubs who have been operating in a financially reckless manner will suffer yes, but re-calibrations will be made and business will continue, just as every single other businesses in the economy has to do as well.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)

posted 6 days, 20 hours ago

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 9 minutes ago
If the stadiums are going to be empty or partly empty for a portion of next season then I'd imagine the lower league clubs would be looking to get cameras in and charge ppv for their games.

It won't replace gate receipts and all the associated sales benefits but it would in some way monetise their games. So if a team normally gets a 5k gate and can only let in 1k people, theoretically you've got another 4k people who want to watch the game and might be prepared to pay for coverage. Maybe even more if the away fans can buy the game but wouldn't necessarily travel to an away game.

Lower league teams are certainly going to have to be inventive to stay afloat.


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I would have thought it would have been far to expensive to set up ppv for lower league clubs that barely get three or four thousand through the gates.
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Why? Just need cameras at the game, a website to stream to game and a payment mechanism.

It might not be worth it as a one off but if the ground is going to be empty for half the season then it should be ok. It’s not the 90s, doing this type of thing isn’t overly complicated or overly expensive.

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