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BAME footballers fear of covid

With the news that Deeney and Kante do not want to train, what's everybody's thoughts on this statistic that BAME people are 4.2x more likely to die from coronavirus than white people?

Personally I am completely against these types of "statistics" because it doesn't seem to have any medical or scientific backing and therefore when the headlines are created IMO it only serves to scare those of the BAME community which we are already seeing with players.

There is a significant difference between correlation and causation. In this specific example I believe the reason more BAME people are dying is because more BAME people have been working on the front line and therefore have been more exposed.

What say you ?

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

Without seeing that sky report, It could be that

Cancer was the sequence leading to death (1)

Covid-19 was an underlying cause (2)

Heart disease was a contributory cause (3)

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Without seeing that sky report, It could be that

Cancer was the sequence leading to death (1)

Covid-19 was an underlying cause (2)

Heart disease was a contributory cause (3)


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100% Ripley. But when the final analysis is done, he wont be in the Cancer stats, he will be one of the current 36+ thousand COVID stats

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

When it comes to stats, I don’t think it’s a case of “one OR the other”. He will be in the cancer stats as well. And also heart disease.

It’s just that, especially at this moment in time, death from cancer isn’t being reported as a daily figure in the media (or indeed in the government briefings), while Covid-19 obviously is.

Have a look at the ONS, who update on a weekly basis if I remember correctly

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
posted 8 minutes ago
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.

Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
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Last week a 84 year old doctor dies. SKY News made a big deal of it and interviewed a number of his colleagues and former patients. Rightfully so imo. But then they put up an image of his death certificate. This was the first time I had ever seen an official death certificate.

It clearly stated cause of death

1. Cancer
2. Possible COVID-19 infection
3. Heart Disease

He is now in the COVID death stats

Very very sad because every death is a tragedy to a family and loved ones
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Well that makes perfect sense to me. I don't see the issue.

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 4 minutes ago
When it comes to stats, I don’t think it’s a case of “one OR the other”. He will be in the cancer stats as well. And also heart disease.

It’s just that, especially at this moment in time, death from cancer isn’t being reported as a daily figure in the media (or indeed in the government briefings), while Covid-19 obviously is.

Have a look at the ONS, who update on a weekly basis if I remember correctly
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You are right about the ONS releasing weekly stats.

But how can he be in all 3 categories. Surely that means one person dying counts as three. He has to be placed in one or the other. I again reiterate that every death is incredibly sad, but it is particularly important in these times that deaths are reported accurately and transparently

posted 6 days, 14 hours ago

Yeah, that’s what I was wondering when I said about the ONS. Whether there is an overlap when it comes to causes of death or whether they just list one cause.

It’s probably the latter I would imagine. So while as far as media reports and briefings regarding covid would include him as a covid death, it might not be listed as a covid death on the ONS.

posted 6 days, 14 hours ago

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 13 minutes ago
Yeah, that’s what I was wondering when I said about the ONS. Whether there is an overlap when it comes to causes of death or whether they just list one cause.

It’s probably the latter I would imagine. So while as far as media reports and briefings regarding covid would include him as a covid death, it might not be listed as a covid death on the ONS.


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This. You have hit the nail on the head. I don't want under reporting or over reporting. Just the true figures and transparency. A large part of the country are scared shiiitless by this virus. It serves no purpose to make everyone's anxiety worse

posted 6 days, 14 hours ago

Totally agree. I do think the anxiety of the fatality of Covid is reducing among people (as in more are thinking if I do catch it, I’ll recover), but that worry is being replaced by a mental health anxiety that is perpetuated by not knowing what is going to happen in our lives regarding money, jobs, length of time we are expected to go on like this.

I think the media are playing a dangerous (for want of a better word) game. There is scaremongering going on, and people are in danger of turning on each other.

Mixed messages being sent out. While people are still dying. But from what actual cause are they dying from?

I, for one, am getting frustrated and quite down about it all. As I imagine many are.

posted 6 days, 14 hours ago

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 15 minutes ago
Totally agree. I do think the anxiety of the fatality of Covid is reducing among people (as in more are thinking if I do catch it, I’ll recover), but that worry is being replaced by a mental health anxiety that is perpetuated by not knowing what is going to happen in our lives regarding money, jobs, length of time we are expected to go on like this.

I think the media are playing a dangerous (for want of a better word) game. There is scaremongering going on, and people are in danger of turning on each other.

Mixed messages being sent out. While people are still dying. But from what actual cause are they dying from?

I, for one, am getting frustrated and quite down about it all. As I imagine many are.
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Brilliant point. It isn't necessarily a fear or anxiety of direct COVID infection, it is all the knock-on effects and problems that may come down the line.

I am not massively worried on a daily basis about the virus itself, but I do worry about where this all may end. Society will be changed for long time, hopefully for the better in a lot of ways. As long as people are clever in the way they handle their own personal circumstances, then I do actually see a positive future

posted 6 days, 13 hours ago

YUP...COVID-19 has a lot of effects, on the blood and consequently on other organs, even in young and healthy people, including top class athletes and also children.
Anyone who thinks its "just a little flu" deserves to get it..... and see!

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