Arsenal fans should accept that for next 3 years, the best that this club will manage is CL qualification challenge (a challenge, not a spot for CL). It is only once CL is established can we push forward. Spurs have been a fairly regular team in CL once they got their first 4th place finish under Redknapp. Since then, they challenged for the title, and got to a CL final. This was exceptional for a club who 10 years ago were pretty average. Off the pitch, they've also built an absolute dynamite of a stadium. However they have loan that is believed to be worth in the north of half a billion. Arsenal already built a stadium for 21st century 14 years ago. This puts the club ahead of other big clubs, and other than Utd, they all are pushing for a new stadium.
Liverpool are another team who for long periods have been exactly where Arsenal are, but are finally seeing some success after well thought out planning. Utd, despite throwing unlimited amount of money at bang average players, probably won't get regular CL either due to lack of clear cut vision on the pitch. Chelsea, are the only club who have managed to stay consistent from the start of this century to now.
There is one common theme amongst the clubs who are seeing success, and those who aren't. The successful ones, have a board who know how to get what they want. Would anyone other than Daniel Levy have been able to get Spurs where they are from where they came from? The FSG group, with their previous experience in sports have been able to make sure success is repeated at Liverpool. Utd, with a chairman who has no idea on football will not get there. Arsenal are in a fine balance at the moment. There is a new board, and new manager, both unproven. Wenger really messed it up in last few years for the club. Chelsea have chopped and changed their managers and the board, yet so long as Roman has been there, success has been coming regardless. Each club has got a different approach, but there is real leadership from either the chairmen or the owner with Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs. Arsenal's board has definitely not shown any form of leadership since Kroenke's take over. But now with his son effectively running the club, maybe this'll change.
Europe and direction
posted on 21/6/20
It’s definitely possible that Arsenal will get back up there in next couple years. Like you say Liverpool went through a period of mid table and Europa before getting where they are. But it needs a really clear vision stemming right from the top through to the players. We can’t seem to do anything further than crap short term fix approach that keeps failing at the moment. We do need to completely start again with a plan and clear leadership from the top. It won’t be instant and will be a few season more scraping around Europa places. But we can’t chuck billions at the problem so it’s the only way, but it won’t work if no one at the club implements and follows a clear path
posted on 21/6/20
Where are you coming frim on this?
Since the PL started Arsenal have only won it three times. This year, unbelievably, will be Liverpool's first and deservedly so. Top London club is 5 time winners Chelsea so Arsenal can't even claim to be the top London club. Support for your team is commendable and you always have to wish for the best. But the past is the past and as they say "league positions don't lie".
Arsenal will be back up there in the next few years.
posted on 21/6/20
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 8 hours, 37 minutes ago
Where are you coming frim on this?
Since the PL started Arsenal have only won it three times. This year, unbelievably, will be Liverpool's first and deservedly so. Top London club is 5 time winners Chelsea so Arsenal can't even claim to be the top London club. Support for your team is commendable and you always have to wish for the best. But the past is the past and as they say "league positions don't lie".
Arsenal will be back up there in the next few years.
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The period Arsenal won the league titles, they had David Dein. Since his departure, no titles have been won and very few times a challenge has been made. On other hand Chelsea only started winning since Roman came in and he’s made sure even in periods of poor showings, they could still win titles somehow.
posted on 21/6/20
Although Dein has been a big miss, he was not perfect either and was partly responsible for selling us down the river with Carr, Bracewell-Smith and Fiszman. He also was the one who introduced Kroenke to the Arsenal board and shareholders.
https://arsedevils.com/arsenal-change-ownership-truth/13832/
I'd have preferred that we kept Dein in hindsight, but he is not an innocent party in all this.
Also, I do find the comparisons with Liverpool a bit disingenuous. What Klopp has done to that club is extremely rare. How often do we see a team, in the space of 5 years, go from 8th in the league to 2 time CL finalists (winning one of them) and prospective league winners? Progression is scarcely that linear. We can't assume we'd go in a similar direction, especially as Liverpool are able to get significant sums of money when they sell players, whereas we do not. And their owners are more involved in the operations of the club, whereas Kroenke does not appear to be that way inclined for us.
We've got a long road ahead.
posted on 21/6/20
Yeah with our crappy ownership it’s going to be very tough for us. They’ve never ran us like a football club, and haven’t took properly competing for trophies seriously, so it’s basically lead to where we are now. So it’s tough to see how those same people would have much a clue how to bring us back to top level
posted on 21/6/20
The club can’t even get its managerial hiring anywhere near right so I don’t expect an overhaul to go smoothly. Club is in serious trouble.
posted on 21/6/20
Spurs sort of challenged for the title once, and even then they finished 7 more than 3 results away from the league winners. Other than that they have never finished within 10 points of the champions in the last 10 seasons.
posted on 21/6/20
Whilst i agree there are some similarities between arsenal now and liverpool previous i do not think we were ever in as bad a place as arsenal currently are. This arsenal team are shocking and to me you have nobody that you could possibly cash in on and make some money to reinvest in 2 or 3 areas.
We had some shocking teams, hodgson, dalglish and a couple of years under rodgers but the difference is we had assets in torres, mascherano, sterling and suarez that we cashed in on that helped rebuild teams. Arsenal have nobody. Aubamayang isnt commanding a huge fee at his age.
Its a long road ahead for arsenal. You need to pull off some early wenger years transfers out of nowhere to get back up there.
posted on 21/6/20
On other hand Chelsea only started winning since Roman came in and he’s made sure even in periods of poor showings, they could still win titles somehow.
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There's been a winning mentality at Chelsea going back to the end of the 20th century. Roman WASN'T the beginning of us winning trophies consistently, won 5 trophies in 6 years before Roman came into the club. It's well & truly become part of our modern culture regardless of the personnel, and that's been absent at Arsenal for FAR too long.
It's sad to see what Arsenal have became. I've never felt any kind of animosity towards the red half of North London (dunno if that's unique or not), there's an unholy alliance there to me in 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' kind of thing.
The comparisons to Liverpool are quite fitting to me in the sense you NEED that Jurgen Klopp figure so badly right now, more so than any other English club IMO. Your board are useless, no emotional & inadequate financial investment, so quite simply you need to luck out with that one guy who unites & energizes the place. Similar to what Wenger was in the late 90's & we had in a young Mourinho, whose personality & innovative ideas pulls everyone at the club together united as one to push the club forwards. I don't see another way Arsenal will recover without a change of ownership.