I have seen throughout the internet a small minority of fans turn on Arteta saying the job is too big for him and he should go. Luckily I think its just a small minority as I think most fans realise that he needs more time and a few windows to build his own team before he is judged.
I am in the group of fans who actually have seen some improvement under him. I just think some people need to face reality that the reason for our teams failures are not because of the manager. The reason is because we are approaching the peak of potential of this group. That might be upsetting or annoying to hear but I believe that to be true.
Until we have significant squad investment and have a major clear out of this team, we will not be challenging for anything anytime soon. We will have to continue congratulating other teams for their successes while being jealous of their success at the same time.
Calling for Arteta is wrong for me because I believe in his system, his philosophy and his ideas. A couple of transfer windows with major signings will do us good as long as he is supported and the right players are signed.
We can continue to call Arteta to go to the point Arsenal sack him. We can then hire an Allegri to take over, but 10 months after that we'd then be calling for him to go. 10 months later we'd be calling for Allegris replacement to go and then we'd do it to the manager after and the manager after that.
The reason for this is because it doesn't matter what manager we have, the squad isn't good enough. We could perhaps be a bit higher up the league but still no manager will get this squad winning again. Until the club support our managers in the transfer market, we will be in this cycle.
If things are not working out, it isn't because of the manager. It is because this club has been totally mismanaged by the owner and the board.
Lets support Arteta
posted on 26/6/20
Arteta is following a similar style to emery for when he joined.
Emery started with a high press, playing from the back, playing with energy etc which then eventually turned into a turgid, slow, incoherent style of football which was very difficult to watch.
Arteta has done the same. Thought the games v Chelsea and united at the start were very good, even though we lost to Chelsea. The man United game, first half was probably some of the best football we played this season.
However, the style of football has now also turned very quickly into what Emery was playing. Slow, lacking imagination, no creativity etc.
Only difference I see between the two is that Arteta team does look better defensively. We are not as open and don't concede the 20 odd shots per game which is what we were doing under Emery.
Reality is the players at the club are of a very poor level. I have been saying for 2 seasons now that this is the worst arsenal squad assembled for about 25 years.
Defence is poor, MF is championship level and attackers are all very individual, lacking any sort of chemistry or link up play between them.
posted on 26/6/20
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 2 minutes ago
Arteta is following a similar style to emery for when he joined.
Emery started with a high press, playing from the back, playing with energy etc which then eventually turned into a turgid, slow, incoherent style of football which was very difficult to watch.
Arteta has done the same. Thought the games v Chelsea and united at the start were very good, even though we lost to Chelsea. The man United game, first half was probably some of the best football we played this season.
However, the style of football has now also turned very quickly into what Emery was playing. Slow, lacking imagination, no creativity etc.
Only difference I see between the two is that Arteta team does look better defensively. We are not as open and don't concede the 20 odd shots per game which is what we were doing under Emery.
Reality is the players at the club are of a very poor level. I have been saying for 2 seasons now that this is the worst arsenal squad assembled for about 25 years.
Defence is poor, MF is championship level and attackers are all very individual, lacking any sort of chemistry or link up play between them.
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I agree but it could be because this squad just can't continue playing that style all the time.
posted on 26/6/20
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 2 minutes ago
Arteta is following a similar style to emery for when he joined.
Emery started with a high press, playing from the back, playing with energy etc which then eventually turned into a turgid, slow, incoherent style of football which was very difficult to watch.
Arteta has done the same. Thought the games v Chelsea and united at the start were very good, even though we lost to Chelsea. The man United game, first half was probably some of the best football we played this season.
However, the style of football has now also turned very quickly into what Emery was playing. Slow, lacking imagination, no creativity etc.
Only difference I see between the two is that Arteta team does look better defensively. We are not as open and don't concede the 20 odd shots per game which is what we were doing under Emery.
Reality is the players at the club are of a very poor level. I have been saying for 2 seasons now that this is the worst arsenal squad assembled for about 25 years.
Defence is poor, MF is championship level and attackers are all very individual, lacking any sort of chemistry or link up play between them.
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The difference between Arteta and Emery, is that while Emery focused on the opposition at the expense of Arsenal's own game, I think Arteta has recently started to find a balance. While we lost the game against Brighton, we outplayed them for the first 70 minutes and should have been two or three goals up. Against Southampton we were perhaps a little fortunate in the second half, but in the first half we really should have been at least two goals ahead.
In other words, we have been outplaying our opponents and had we taken our chances we'd have won these games comfortably. Now in neither game was our performance complete, and it seems we are only currently capable of playing well in patches, but this is considerably better than what we were doing under Emery, where we were winning games through being more clinical than our opponents, despite giving up a lot of chances ourselves. Once that hot streak ended we were bound to lose games because on the balance of play we weren't playing well for most of those games.
Even against City last week, we gave them a decent contest and had the better chances in the first 20 minutes or so until Mari went off, and David Luiz upset our balance at the back...leading to us coming under increasing pressure as halftime approached. Thanks to Leno we hung in there until Luiz gifted them the opener, and then early in the second half gifted them the match.
posted on 26/6/20
My argument was that this club given the size, history and fan base should have been going for Pep and not his assistant with no managerial experience. We’ve fallen so far and a win against soton doesn’t change that. Yes I will support Mikel as he’s here but this is our worse campaign since the mid 90s. I do like Arteta attitude and he’s saying the right things but we are Arsenal, we should always aim for the elite.
posted on 26/6/20
comment by PowerkingHenry27 (U18930)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
My argument was that this club given the size, history and fan base should have been going for Pep and not his assistant with no managerial experience. We’ve fallen so far and a win against soton doesn’t change that. Yes I will support Mikel as he’s here but this is our worse campaign since the mid 90s. I do like Arteta attitude and he’s saying the right things but we are Arsenal, we should always aim for the elite.
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We couldn't get Pep right now. And the Arsenal job is a project not a quick turnaround job so most top European coaches wouldn't take it as they don't need to prove themselves. That's why we're having to gamble with Arteta.
I also don't know if I trust a big name manager to be able to turn around the team - Van Gaal and Emery both struggled and they had serious credentials (perhaps moreso Van Gaal). It's not what the best paid managers do - they hone and refine already good teams into title winning teams, they expect that the basics are all done already.
That's why having Arteta is good - we're getting someone who sees how Pep drills his teams, but is also willing to teach our players the basics. I think that's why our younger players are doing well - they have a manager who is willing and able to teach them the simple things, and isn't trying to teach them detailed tactics or implement a big strategy before they are ready.
posted on 26/6/20
Any manager supporting Ozil the way he has is a dud as I see it. The team needs a full overhaul and I almost feel like the first thing any top quality manager worth his salt does at AFC is remove Ozil's negative influence and focus on rebuilding the MF without him starting games. The team at all. The likes of Guardiola and Ferguson simply don't tolerate what Ozil has gotten away with for 5 years. And any players with that attitude usually get sold. Certainly don't start games regularly.
Ozil staying typical Ozil IMO undermines both any rebuild attempts from Arteta and more importantly the man himself. This now makes Wenger, Emery and Arteta. THREE club managers that Ozil has now basically told "Feck you and ya job title I SOLD 100 mil shirts, so I'LL PLAY however and whenever I feel like it."
Emery at least got that much about this job right. Arteta on the other hand immediately kissed up to Ozil and is trying yet another MF rebuild with the giant useless Ozil cog. That huge bottle job, straight off the bat, doomed Arteta's chances, at least until Ozil is gone. I think an established multi-winning manager would have had more faith and confidence in himself, due to record. Therefore had no qualms about kicking Ozil and not have these problems now. Arteta being a starter boy, not wanting to ruffle any big feathers. Means he's now reliant on Arsenal fans suffering another year of Ozil's crap with the team going nowhere. Not calling for his head.
posted on 26/6/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Any manager supporting Ozil the way he has is a dud as I see it. The team needs a full overhaul and I almost feel like the first thing any top quality manager worth his salt does at AFC is remove Ozil's negative influence and focus on rebuilding the MF without him starting games. The team at all. The likes of Guardiola and Ferguson simply don't tolerate what Ozil has gotten away with for 5 years. And any players with that attitude usually get sold. Certainly don't start games regularly.
Ozil staying typical Ozil IMO undermines both any rebuild attempts from Arteta and more importantly the man himself. This now makes Wenger, Emery and Arteta. THREE club managers that Ozil has now basically told "Feck you and ya job title I SOLD 100 mil shirts, so I'LL PLAY however and whenever I feel like it."
Emery at least got that much about this job right. Arteta on the other hand immediately kissed up to Ozil and is trying yet another MF rebuild with the giant useless Ozil cog. That huge bottle job, straight off the bat, doomed Arteta's chances, at least until Ozil is gone. I think an established multi-winning manager would have had more faith and confidence in himself, due to record. Therefore had no qualms about kicking Ozil and not have these problems now. Arteta being a starter boy, not wanting to ruffle any big feathers. Means he's now reliant on Arsenal fans suffering another year of Ozil's crap with the team going nowhere. Not calling for his head.
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Ozil isn’t starting
posted on 26/6/20
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by PowerkingHenry27 (U18930)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
My argument was that this club given the size, history and fan base should have been going for Pep and not his assistant with no managerial experience. We’ve fallen so far and a win against soton doesn’t change that. Yes I will support Mikel as he’s here but this is our worse campaign since the mid 90s. I do like Arteta attitude and he’s saying the right things but we are Arsenal, we should always aim for the elite.
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We couldn't get Pep right now. And the Arsenal job is a project not a quick turnaround job so most top European coaches wouldn't take it as they don't need to prove themselves. That's why we're having to gamble with Arteta.
I also don't know if I trust a big name manager to be able to turn around the team - Van Gaal and Emery both struggled and they had serious credentials (perhaps moreso Van Gaal). It's not what the best paid managers do - they hone and refine already good teams into title winning teams, they expect that the basics are all done already.
That's why having Arteta is good - we're getting someone who sees how Pep drills his teams, but is also willing to teach our players the basics. I think that's why our younger players are doing well - they have a manager who is willing and able to teach them the simple things, and isn't trying to teach them detailed tactics or implement a big strategy before they are ready.
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You’re missing my point. When Pep was available we should have went for him, we should have went for Klopp when he was available. If Pep was available now we’d never go for him. We were sold a lie in moving the Emirates, this club should be competing with Europe’s best, instead we are showing mid table ambition. We are 46pts behind Liverpool!!. This club should never accept mediocrity, I won’t accept it which is why I’m probably harsher on rookies and people who lack experience in certain roles. We are acting like a mid table team.
posted on 26/6/20
Kami
He has started games since Arteta took over and isn't only out of the SL now, due to him saying he wants it cos he's fasting?
PKH
Won't get any argument from me there. Far as I'm concerned had we got any of those managers, at the times they were available. Ozil would long be a distant memory. Along with quite a few other problems too, most likely.