Very well deserved from us, I am in awe of the way the club to a man didn’t look for any excuses and rolled their sleeves up to take on the new season. Zero signings in the summer window they knew as a group what they had to do.
What did they have to do?
They had to overhaul Man City, who had set the standards for a few years. Every single component of the team has to be perfect to challenge Man City. Normally 80 points would give you a shot at the title, but not with this City team, you have to get near 100 to be in with an even chance.
That’s what Klopp, his management team full of performance analysts and rocket scientists (I kid you not) have had to plan for. To try and squeeze the maximum out of every performance the extra 0.2 or 0.3%.
Man City set the pace in previous seasons, last season we were almost matching them, and we have followed the increase in performance this season, no let up. Probably with the motivation that we couldn’t let even a slight decrease in. Doing that whilst winning the Club World Cup though was brilliant.
Now it’s LFC setting the standard, and it looks like the points total to aim for at the start of next season is again going to be 100+
Were it not for Pep and Man City amassing the players to have an amazing team this Liverpool team wouldn’t be as brilliant as it is.
A strong rivalry is to the benefit of the teams involved in that rivalry as long as they have the characters to do so.
Man City has that with Man Utd whilst Fergie was there
Liverpool has that with Everton in the mid to late 80’s, each bouncing off the other.
Now it’s Liverpool and Man City with the rivalry that has got to the insane points totals being seen now. Without them, 80 points would be enough.
I’m glad we have the manager in Klopp that we do, brilliant man manager and tactically a genius too. Players want to play for him.
Love watching us perform to such fantastic levels, next season will be tougher for sure. If other teams are stronger it will mean getting to 100 points will be tougher.. but have to aim for that again.
Champions
19 times
Other clubs.. let’s see what you’ve got next season.
LFC Champions! (& note to Man City)
posted on 30/6/20
In 2011 alone did City not report a calendar year loss of around £190m million? Whch was an increase of £70m on the previous year? Just read that again slowly.
If Liverpool did this and did not dominate for years thereafter I'd be pretty disappointed. During the same period, Liverpool recorded record losses with no rich owner to bail out the club. We wanted Aguero for a long time apparently, and he said some good things about us but I remember we couldn't afford sheet and City came in and just paid the money.
Liverpool escaped administration, lost opportunities to sign top players and lost top players we already had like Torres and later Suarez. We've been rebuilding organically ever since, using our own resources and wits to get ahead and have done well to come on top of a team in City that has had it very easy in comparison.
Making losses per season so huge that they could buy 10 league one clubs, and for 3 years too, that's a rocket boost and its why you've been able to challenge on all fronts for the following years. How can you argue otherwise? Are we just gonna pretend it didn't happen or what?
posted on 30/6/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’ve not said anything about your persona. It’s not exactly a debate when you keep changing the criteria though. I’m not going to suddenly start saying that we’ve got squad depth sorted when I’ve been saying all season that we haven’t and been critical of exactly that issue just so you can make out an incredible achievement is even better than it is.
You can do that if you want to absolutely, fill your boots. A disingenuous debate about it isn’t interesting though.
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Were discussing City's ability to challenge in all fronts in the last few years. Again, what does that have to do with City's current squad depth?
"I’m not going to suddenly start saying that we’ve got squad depth sorted"
Completely irrelevant and nobody asked you to do that tbh.
City were the best team ever last season. These problems you highlight are not unique to City and cannot account for being 25 points behind. In fact City are the best placed team of all to deal with these issues and yet you purport to rely on them against other teams who are worse off. Its insane.
Doesn't matter if you've said it all season, its still a weak excuse. I haven't changed any criteria mate.
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Yes you have, read back through this thread and the initial point that started this conversation. We were talking about prioritising cups and the point was we do it regardless. I’ve even said a few times we’ve had both a bigger and better squad in previous seasons.
They don’t solely account for us being 25 points behind either, I’ve never said it has, that wasn’t even what we were talking about. There’s been plenty of other reasons for that.
Why are we the best equipped this season? We are the best equipped to fix it (cl ban outstanding) for the future, it doesn’t change us having an issue right now with our main spine for pretty much the last decade coming to an end and us not having enough cover in certain areas.
It’s still our fault, I don’t see how me being critical of the club is an excuse. An excuse would be to blame exterior motives surely, I’m giving a reason, a reason that was obvious even before the season started. It doesn’t detract from others.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can do that if you want to absolutely, fill your boots. A disingenuous debate about it isn’t interesting though.
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What an allegation to make.
The reverse is true. You want to make out like City were badly compromised so as to take the shine off Liverpools destruction of City in this year's title race, if you can even call it that tbh.
I'd say Liverpool defeated City not just on the pitch but also mentally, peeling away the air of invincibility and forcing them to doubt themselves.
Trying to put it down to some squad problems which everyone is facing anyway and while being a team that has benefitted from unprecedented levels of investment is a bit of a stretch.
Let's not forget that wages are also part of the value and City made a loss for three consecutive years after which they immediately started sweeping all the trophies.
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Right, so do you not understand how you are being saying I’m saying that’s the sole reason for something happening that we weren’t even talking about and when I also literally saying it isn’t? I haven’t even mentioned reasons for the gap in the league to you, this is entirely you projecting. It’s either being disingenuous or being fecking moronic.
You’re also now giving a solitary reason yourself for it happening despite me never even arguing or providing any other reason.
I’m fine with having a debate about what I say and in good faith. I have absolutely zero interest in either disingenuous ones or ones I’m not even making in the first place.
posted on 30/6/20
Yes you have, read back through this thread and the initial point that started this conversation. We were talking about prioritising cups and the point was we do it regardless.
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Regardless of what? Either you have a big squad full of quality or you don't. You can't have the squad and then use all these mitigating factors to make out like having a superior squad isn't actually an advantage.
So at some point some players get injured. Isn't that why you have the largest most expensive squad? Isn't this aimed at achieveing success? And has it not worked a charm? If you have a big squad you don't need to prioritise because of injuries, that's the point of having a big squad in the first place.
Can you say you didn't prioritise maybe when players were injured? You don't prioritise because those injured players would be available at a later date when recovered, and those who play today can rest later and so on, therefore you can use a strong team in every game.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
In 2011 alone did City not report a calendar year loss of around £190m million? Whch was an increase of £70m on the previous year? Just read that again slowly.
If Liverpool did this and did not dominate for years thereafter I'd be pretty disappointed. During the same period, Liverpool recorded record losses with no rich owner to bail out the club. We wanted Aguero for a long time apparently, and he said some good things about us but I remember we couldn't afford sheet and City came in and just paid the money.
Liverpool escaped administration, lost opportunities to sign top players and lost top players we already had like Torres and later Suarez. We've been rebuilding organically ever since, using our own resources and wits to get ahead and have done well to come on top of a team in City that has had it very easy in comparison.
Making losses per season so huge that they could buy 10 league one clubs, and for 3 years too, that's a rocket boost and its why you've been able to challenge on all fronts for the following years. How can you argue otherwise? Are we just gonna pretend it didn't happen or what?
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I like cheese. What the hell have you got against cheese?
posted on 30/6/20
Right, so do you not understand how you are being saying I’m saying that’s the sole reason for something happening that we weren’t even talking about and when I also literally saying it isn’t? I haven’t even mentioned reasons for the gap in the league to you, this is entirely you projecting. It’s either being disingenuous or being fecking moronic.
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I was making a point by mentioning the gap in relation to City's squad issues. How is that projecting? I just don't want to keep defending myself or my intentions as I feel I'm making honest arguments.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Right, so do you not understand how you are being saying I’m saying that’s the sole reason for something happening that we weren’t even talking about and when I also literally saying it isn’t? I haven’t even mentioned reasons for the gap in the league to you, this is entirely you projecting. It’s either being disingenuous or being fecking moronic.
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I was making a point by mentioning the gap in relation to City's squad issues. How is that projecting? I just don't want to keep defending myself or my intentions as I feel I'm making honest arguments.
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Who do you think you are arguing that with...?
posted on 1/7/20
Don't have to be arguing to make a point.
posted on 1/7/20
And like i said, what the hell have you got against cheese?
posted on 2/7/20
Global warming.