Now THATS a good deal!!

Players like Moreno & Sturridge held on till the end of their contracts

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The players held on.. but they weren’t played. Can’t exactly cancel the contracts.

comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 41 minutes ago
moreinjuredthanowen

Couldn't disagree more.

The last word I'd use to describe Liverpool's squad management the last five years would be ruthless. Players like Moreno & Sturridge held on till the end of their contracts, it took a massive flop performance in the CL Final to ship out a keeper who was never good enough/permanently relegate Mingolet to backup, someone like Origi went on loan (without impressing) & came back into the team as a successful backup, etc...

The first couple of years (the majority of names listed) was the standard squad trimming you get with most top clubs under fresh management. Players like Allen, Balotelli, Sakho, etc... were always going to be casualties of the heavy metal football Klopp came in with.

I also wouldn't made the assumption Klopp's doing the majority of the transfers. I'm sure he has a big say, he allegedly called off the Fekir deal, but I look at the evolution of your signings since Klopp's first 18 months (where besides Mane I believe it was all Bundesliga players?), and the massive shift in your on-field playing style the last 24 months towards something incredibly pragmatic & surgical - something Klopp's never really done before - and my outside POV says Michael Edwards & his analytical team have had a lot more impact on this team than some Liverpool fans might think.
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You are confusing inability to get rid with keeping.

The fact is we simply couldn't find a home for sturridge, his loan to west Brom was a disaster and he was just about injured every second week do only a moron would take him.

Speaking of morons..... Moreno was a nice, no trouble lad who came to training every day and gave his all on quite low wages and honestly there was little interest.

As for origi, we tried to sell him twice, valencia fell through and tbh he absolutely stunk the place out in germany. The lad again came back and worked hard and klopp could see something, something that was worth more than 10mil as we wanted 30mil for him.

Same story for karius. Klopp never liked mingolet but he was again a good pro that worked hard every day. He replace him with a decent young keeper in terms of potential but he didn't work.

The fact is the lad had a scandalous amount of clean sheets pre final (with vvd in front) he got tagged by Ramos and fell apart plus never told anyone he was spaced out. It took one preseason game and he was out. He was judged by klopp as again, never going to do it.


For the final part, analytics and negotiations and teamwork are all part of the game. Of course they have a major impact.

Again they were there under Rodgers, the fact is klopp wants a type of player and they work to that.

You only need write the first team klopp had out

Mingolet
Clyne skertl sakho Moreno
Can Lucas
Lallana coutinho Milner
Origi

He keeps Henderson, Milner, Moreno, lallana, Lovren. Firmino. They will run through a wall for him


The signings are obvious, though its not money bags stuff

Matip, instantly done the minute klopp comes on a precontract for a free.
Wijnaldum 25mil of newcastle.
Mane of Southampton, nobody was biting. Looked a bargain
Karius for 4mil.

That year we made 7mil net.

Move on then,
Salah
Robertson
Vvd
Ox

Coutinho goes, 2 of the above were recommended to klopp. Again they'd run all day for him. Theoretically we took in 28mil net

Finally
Fabinho
Keita
Alisson.
Shaqiri

The big spend of 128mil

We actually look in 28 mil last year too.

Every player is a klopp player, players we waited on.

Right now the squad is so together I forget it was assembled out of half of the failed desperate Rodgers squad and all sorts of signings, world class included.

I think we might have different definitions of ruthless. I've had Mourinho, Conte & Sarri manage my club through the time period Klopp's been at Liverpool & the difference is quite striking from afar. One example of the former's ruthlessness (and recklessness) you've been the major beneficiary of

Players have seemed to hang on at Liverpool, been in & out the team, where at Chelsea they'd have been cut off from the first team completely, e.g. when Conte forgets Luiz exists because he prefers Christensen, drops Costa like a bad habit, after recently winning the league with both playing critical roles, now that's ruthless!

Players like Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, etc... were clearly backups yes, not ideal Klopp players, but they still played here & there popping up with contributions (I still remember Sturridge's wonderful goal at Stamford Bridge two years ago), and that's what I mean when I say Klopp can get a tune out of anyone. He incorporates players, those unwanted, into the squad & gets them playing OK until it's time for them to move - that's not ruthless.

Klopp wasn’t convinced on signing Salah, he had to be convinced by one of the analysts who pushed for Salah to be signed continuously.

Then Klopp coached him into a world beater.

Moreno and Karius, Klopp was ruthless with both.

Both were massively costly in European finals. Moreno v Sevilla and Karius versus Madrid.

Neither were seen in Liverpool teams soon afterwards. Moreno managed a couple of appearances, Karius was sent out on a two year loan.

Even now without a backup to Robertson, Moreno was let go without a second thought when his contract expired.

comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 7 hours, 5 minutes ago
I think we might have different definitions of ruthless. I've had Mourinho, Conte & Sarri manage my club through the time period Klopp's been at Liverpool & the difference is quite striking from afar. One example of the former's ruthlessness (and recklessness) you've been the major beneficiary of

Players have seemed to hang on at Liverpool, been in & out the team, where at Chelsea they'd have been cut off from the first team completely, e.g. when Conte forgets Luiz exists because he prefers Christensen, drops Costa like a bad habit, after recently winning the league with both playing critical roles, now that's ruthless!

Players like Moreno, Sturridge, Origi, etc... were clearly backups yes, not ideal Klopp players, but they still played here & there popping up with contributions (I still remember Sturridge's wonderful goal at Stamford Bridge two years ago), and that's what I mean when I say Klopp can get a tune out of anyone. He incorporates players, those unwanted, into the squad & gets them playing OK until it's time for them to move - that's not ruthless.
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I wouldnt say what chelsea have is anywjere near the same level of issue we have.

a) chelsea can afford to simply make a player, any player a pariah. we had to do it with clyne due to obvious issues but cheslea can take just about anyone a manager doesn't fancy and throw them aside and move on.

b) again look at the transfer numbers. only one big spend season in 4. if we don't get the fee we cannot sell

c) again look at the players kept and played regularly. lovren being a prime example of a guy who I wouldnt touch with a barge pole due to his panicking but klopp keeps him as he is willing to stay and willing to run through a wall as well. if lovren said he wanted to go he'd get his move but as a 4th cb we couldn't afford better tbh.

so yes klopp is ruthless. he culled anyone not suiting his style (benteke) and anyone with bad attitude (I've already cited my examples)

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
Klopp wasn’t convinced on signing Salah, he had to be convinced by one of the analysts who pushed for Salah to be signed continuously.

Then Klopp coached him into a world beater.
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mate, he didnt. he gave him a shot in an ideal position but salah developed his own strength and game after leaving chelsea and was ready to deliver and did so from the off.

we can't claim to have coached salah, only put him in the ideal place to flourish which is imo just as good.

we didn't coach vvd, we didn't coach alisson. we've paid good money and seen them sky rocket.

which is why we won't be buying players like koubailly for mad money.

Come on, Salah never Gegenpressed in his life before he came to LFC.

so yes klopp is ruthless. he culled anyone not suiting his style (benteke) and anyone with bad attitude (I've already cited my examples)

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Completely forgot about Benteke

Absolutely true. And Sakho with his crap attitude as well.

Hmm. We might have to agree to disagree here. Contrary to popular belief we can't really afford to ostracize any player (financially) and our net spend over the last 4-5 years proves that - it's only slightly more than Liverpool's - we just had managers who knew what they wanted and didn't p!ss about. There's been plenty of instances over Klopp's tenure where I've looked at the way you're playing & thought 'that player's not gunna last' but they clung on, probably inability to sell as you said but they still featured in the team.

Via Salah. I'll say this, he hasn't dramatically changed that much from the player we had at Chelsea, makes it all the more depressing that we sold him. All he's done is perfect his ability to manipulate the right channel between CB-FB which wasn't poor to begin with, his workrate's not improved that much (the reason Jose sold him I assume) and his finishing was always CF quality going back to Basel (scored more against us for them than he has for Liverpool lol). He's the perfect example of what the power of a managers belief & a tactical setup can do.