https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53443724
Reports are emerging that there has been an error in the way that deaths related to COVID-19 have been recorded.
The key detail is that anyone who has suffered from COVID-19 at any stage, and has subsequently died, is recorded as a COVID-19 related death.
As one source puts it, this means you could have had Coronavirus in February, recovered fully, then died having been hit by a bus in July and you'd be recorded as a COVID-19 death.
What the actual fack?
People are scared, businesses are going under... and now we can't even trust the numbers, let alone anything else.
What a mess.
Is there any competence, anywhere in public organisations?
I work with some public sector organisations and they are generally a shambles. A few good people lost in a sea of bureaucracy, blame shifting and incompetence.
Coronavirus - death data scandal
posted on 17/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
This was known months ago
Only becomes a scandal when the journalists start doing their job
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Really? I thought an Oxford professor only discovered it this week?
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Nope was known since day 1. But this thing about getting the virus in Feb and being registered as a covid19 death 4 months later is news to me...
posted on 17/7/20
comment by RIP Football (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
This was known months ago
Only becomes a scandal when the journalists start doing their job
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Really? I thought an Oxford professor only discovered it this week?
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Nope was known since day 1. But this thing about getting the virus in Feb and being registered as a covid19 death 4 months later is news to me...
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In which case I think the news today is actually breaking news.
posted on 17/7/20
I personally know of incidences recorded as covid related deaths which weren't.
Whilst some I've only heard through individuals there is one that I have no doubt about.
Family friends in Yorkshire had their father go into hospital with hip complaint. While in there he developed stomach issues and subsequently died. The family were told that if they accepted cause of death as covid related they could have the body for burial within 3 days. If not it could take up to 8 weeks for release. They accepted.
Other cases reported the same thing
posted on 17/7/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
I personally know of incidences recorded as covid related deaths which weren't.
Whilst some I've only heard through individuals there is one that I have no doubt about.
Family friends in Yorkshire had their father go into hospital with hip complaint. While in there he developed stomach issues and subsequently died. The family were told that if they accepted cause of death as covid related they could have the body for burial within 3 days. If not it could take up to 8 weeks for release. They accepted.
Other cases reported the same thing
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Blimey. That is shocking.
posted on 17/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 18 minutes ago
I personally know of incidences recorded as covid related deaths which weren't.
Whilst some I've only heard through individuals there is one that I have no doubt about.
Family friends in Yorkshire had their father go into hospital with hip complaint. While in there he developed stomach issues and subsequently died. The family were told that if they accepted cause of death as covid related they could have the body for burial within 3 days. If not it could take up to 8 weeks for release. They accepted.
Other cases reported the same thing
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Blimey. That is shocking.
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This is what it says in the PDF I posted. Basically doctors have been told during the crisis that they don't have to confirm COVID-19, just use their judgement and therefore no report needed from the coroner. This therefore speeds up the process. It appears some doctors are taking advantage of this arrangement.
posted on 18/7/20
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"
.............has never been more apt.
posted on 18/7/20
They've now announced the suspension of the daily death figure.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
They've now announced the suspension of the daily death figure.
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To be expected if they believe it is flawed. I’ve said before I’ve been wondering why when we get a daily average of 80 or so, why is it that say less than 20 have passed away in hospital or care homes?
Have the others all just died at home from a virus that destroys your breathing ability apart from affecting the many organs we are now being told? I highly doubt that although some could have been from be-lingering affects.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
They've now announced the suspension of the daily death figure.
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To be expected if they believe it is flawed. I’ve said before I’ve been wondering why when we get a daily average of 80 or so, why is it that say less than 20 have passed away in hospital or care homes?
Have the others all just died at home from a virus that destroys your breathing ability apart from affecting the many organs we are now being told? I highly doubt that although some could have been from be-lingering affects.
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I had no idea mate - how ridiculous.
Can you imagine if it's half that number?!
posted on 18/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
They've now announced the suspension of the daily death figure.
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To be expected if they believe it is flawed. I’ve said before I’ve been wondering why when we get a daily average of 80 or so, why is it that say less than 20 have passed away in hospital or care homes?
Have the others all just died at home from a virus that destroys your breathing ability apart from affecting the many organs we are now being told? I highly doubt that although some could have been from be-lingering affects.
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I had no idea mate - how ridiculous.
Can you imagine if it's half that number?!
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It would certainly put a completely different perspective on things but then again my major concern is that the population in the main are just too scared and the domino affect will keep on killing the economy or any chance it had on surviving.
People still refuse to return to work and goodness knows what it will be like when schools are supposed to return